Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[Maneo]

I am looking to purchase a couple new firearms myself in the next month or so.

I want a semi-auto shotgun and a AK-47 (as I just found out it can be used for hunting)

[Tasttey]

I am looking to purchase a couple new firearms myself in the next month or so.

I want a semi-auto shotgun and a AK-47 (as I just found out it can be used for hunting)

Hunting shotgun or home defense? (If it's both I'd say check out the Mossberg 930 Combo Field/Security [you get both the 18.5 and 28 barrel].)

As to the AK variant for hunting, personally I like the ballistics of the .308 Winchester round over the 7.62x39 for anything over 150 yards. Then again I don't hunt, I'm a target shooter.

[Ghostpanther]

I am looking to purchase a couple new firearms myself in the next month or so.

I want a semi-auto shotgun and a AK-47 (as I just found out it can be used for hunting)

Have to go with Tasttey's advice on the shotgun. But it can still shoot thru a normal wall.

If you want to buy a rifle for hunting and home defense, the AR-15 is good for both. Use hollow point projectiles in the AR-15 , which will help reduce the chance of over penetration and thus reduce the chance of growing thru walls and hitting someone else. With hunting, they use the AR-15 for hunting wild boars. And you can get one for less than *600. Not sure what AK-47's and their variants are going for now.

So depends on what type of hunting you want to do and I also have to agree with Tasttey's point about the .308 for long shots on say, deer or elk. On a long shot, I would also want a rifle with a large scope, bolt action. But like him, I am not a hunter. So someone may have some better advice.

[bladeXcrasher]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.297830e64f50

Just another responsible gun owner

[Ghostpanther]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.297830e64f50

Just another responsible gun owner

Yeah, there is a thread on this case in the Politics forum of a non responsible gun owner doing something unlawfully.

[Svifnymr]

I am looking to purchase a couple new firearms myself in the next month or so.

I want a semi-auto shotgun and a AK-47 (as I just found out it can be used for hunting)

The AK isn't the most accurate of rifle platforms, and 5 round mags (usually needed for hunting) can be rarer than you'd expect. Most quality AK's get expensive ($1k area) because a lot of the american made Century Arms stuff is pretty crappy. (And still $600+)

If you want a semiauto for hunting, the AR10 in 308 is a better option IMO. There's also the regular AR15 in a 300blk which is (in supersonic) ballistically similar to 7.62X39, but more expensive ammo. 300blk and 7.62X39 are both shorter range hunting rounds (150yards) though. You can get an AR15 in 7.62X39, but magazines are a bitch above 5 rounds (which again, is what you need for hunting anyway).

[Ghostpanther]

A very funny video on gun control, yet is also illustrative of why some politicians should understand their subject matter, if they want to push for gun control.

[PhaelixWW]

A very funny video on gun control, yet is also illustrative of why some politicians should understand their subject matter, if they want to push for gun control.

I have a bit of sympathy for the lady who said "many people have been shot with unloaded guns" because I think what she meant was something more like "many people have been shot with what someone believed was an unloaded gun".

But the rest are just outright stupid.

[RaoBurning]

Yeah, there is a thread on this case in the Politics forum of a non responsible gun owner doing something unlawfully.

Everyone is a responsible, law-abiding gun owner, until they aren't.

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A very funny video on gun control, yet is also illustrative of why some politicians should understand their subject matter, if they want to push for gun control.

youtube_share;HI9tov6A2DI]https://youtu.be/HI9tov6A2DI

I mean, if you want legislators to actually know something about the subjects they're legislating, very few laws would ever get passed. Especially not ones concerning lady bits.

[Tasttey]

I mean, if you want legislators to actually know something about the subjects they're legislating, very few laws would ever get passed. Especially not ones concerning lady bits.

Fuck I wish that could be a requirement to be on these committees at the very least. Want to be on the budget committee, better be at least a CPA; wanna be on the science committee, should have at a minimum a Bachelor's degree in an actual science; planning to be on the health committee, oh you better be a fucking doctor. But that's part of the problem with our government, somehow being a congressman became an actual career instead of the part time civil service job it was designed to be.

[Svifnymr]

Fuck I wish that could be a requirement to be on these committees at the very least. Want to be on the budget committee, better be at least a CPA; wanna be on the science committee, should have at a minimum a Bachelor's degree in an actual science; planning to be on the health committee, oh you better be a fucking doctor. But that's part of the problem with our government, somehow being a congressman became an actual career instead of the part time civil service job it was designed to be.

You forgot the other step, most politicians are lawyers. Lawyers tend to try to make things more complicated so that you need a lawyer to decipher it. They don't even understand most of what they're doing, they just want to make it more complicated so that you need to hire more lawyers to help you work around the laws. Same way you can't get limits on lawyers generally, since politicians are lawyers, judges are lawyers...

[Ghostpanther]

Everyone is a responsible, law-abiding gun owner, until they aren't.

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I mean, if you want legislators to actually know something about the subjects they're legislating, very few laws would ever get passed. Especially not ones concerning lady bits.

And until they are irresponsible, they are responsible. Kind of hard to convict someone of doing something they have not committed yet. :P

I expect them to understand any bill they propose or vote for. If not, then do not vote or endorse something if you do not have a clue about the subject matter.

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Texas mom shoots man trying to take car with her kids inside at gas station: 'I hope that woke him up'

Do not mess with a mother with her kids. Way to go gal!!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/05...ke-him-up.html

[misterpuk]

The AK isn't the most accurate of rifle platforms, and 5 round mags (usually needed for hunting) can be rarer than you'd expect. Most quality AK's get expensive ($1k area) because a lot of the american made Century Arms stuff is pretty crappy. (And still $600+)

If you want a semiauto for hunting, the AR10 in 308 is a better option IMO. There's also the regular AR15 in a 300blk which is (in supersonic) ballistically similar to 7.62X39, but more expensive ammo. 300blk and 7.62X39 are both shorter range hunting rounds (150yards) though. You can get an AR15 in 7.62X39, but magazines are a bitch above 5 rounds (which again, is what you need for hunting anyway).

Agreed - for the most part. It really depends on what you're hunting. Personally, I prefer a good, scoped bolt rifle for hunting.

For small game/varmits the .223 Remington mag is my go to.
For larger game, I will usually go with either the .308 winchester mag or a 7mm remmington mag.

If you're set on a Semi-Auto for hunting, I think that AR10 will be the best bet. If you really want to go with something akin to the 7.62x39 cartride, then grab an AR-15 chambered in .300 BLK. The nice thing about that one is that with relative ease, you can transition the rifle back and forth from .300BLK to .223/5.56NATO with an upper swap-out.

[Ghostpanther]

This man gets it on gun control. Excellent stance on the rights of the law abiding citizens.

[Melusine]

Everyone is a responsible, law-abiding gun owner, until they aren't.

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I mean, if you want legislators to actually know something about the subjects they're legislating, very few laws would ever get passed. Especially not ones concerning lady bits.

Responsibility is a trait you earn. It isn't just there in the presence of good deeds or the absence of bad deeds or stupid deeds. There are some really irresponsible people out there, and even if they go through all the channels of gun ownership, and no one can find a reason to disallow them (as if that should be a thing...), that doesn't necessarily detail that they understand gun principles. Smart people will learn about them, some in advance. Others will act without thinking. That they refused to learn about good principles with a gun indicates irresponsibility right from the start.

And to this "if you want legislators to actually know something about the subjects they're legislating, very few laws would ever get passed..."

I'm perfectly cool with that. Why should stupid people be creating stupid laws and demonstrate that they are stupid by the fact that they didn't know what the hell they were talking about, and start affecting negatively the lives of others, only to say "my bad..." later, when they find out their laws were stupid? And these stupid assholes will insist on "fixing" the law, rather than striking it from the law books, so it becomes a problem of the ages ho have to deal with this type of shit in their times, except now there are hundreds, possibly thousands of new pages that say the same stupid shit, because they were too stupid to just never write the bill in the first place.
Care to rethink your position, yet?

"Especially not ones concerning lady bits. "

Case in point.... if women don't want stupid law makers writing laws on that subject, why do they keep voting them in office? It's a problem that could solve itself, in theory, but as long as they keep voting it in, that tells me they ultimately want it that way, or they'd do something about it, as the majority voting block in this nation.

Care to rethink your position on this any, yet?

[Ghostpanther]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/08...ng-attack.html

A waitress with a concealed carry permit defended her co-worker after an irate customer went behind the counter and punched her, newly released video reveals.

The attack at George Webb restaurant in Milwaukee on June 28 could have been much worse, according to Alderman Bob Donovan, who made the footage public.

“I thank God the other waitress had a concealed carry weapon, has a permit... I shudder to think, had she not been there and had she not had this weapon, what this guy might have done," Donovan told Fox 6.

Another example of where a good person with a gun saved another person from harm.

[bladeXcrasher]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...az_most&wpmk=1

What is it you alt-right and/or Trumpets say, whomp whomp? LOL

[lockedout]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.297830e64f50

Just another responsible gun owner

There is already a separate thread about this, you can spout off in that one.

[Svifnymr]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news...owd/ar-AAzKD6x

Guy set off metal detector, security stops him, he says he's an out of town cop, but he "disappears" into the crowd and they lose track of him before any verification other than a waved badge. So band cancels show.

I can understand the cancellation, though if this guy was going to open fire on a crowd (with a small concealed handgun), he could do it in the crowds already there.

Not sure how security doesn't hold someone until the situation is resolved, unless he threw one of those ninja smoke bombs or maybe did the jedi hand wave? Guess it was just an attendant who asked him to wait and he just ignored her and left.

Odd situation.

[bladeXcrasher]

There is already a separate thread about this, you can spout off in that one.

No thanks, this is the mega thread gub.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news...owd/ar-AAzKD6x

Guy set off metal detector, security stops him, he says he's an out of town cop, but he "disappears" into the crowd and they lose track of him before any verification other than a waved badge. So band cancels show.

I can understand the cancellation, though if this guy was going to open fire on a crowd (with a small concealed handgun), he could do it in the crowds already there.

Not sure how security doesn't hold someone until the situation is resolved, unless he threw one of those ninja smoke bombs or maybe did the jedi hand wave? Guess it was just an attendant who asked him to wait and he just ignored her and left.

Odd situation.

Obviously these people have no regard for rules. Yet another irresponsible gun owner.