Remove crushing/critical hits from bosses to make druid/paladin tanks viable

[Argarock]

"We want classic servers!"

Blizzard introduces classic servers

"NO NOT LIKE THAT!"

why is this always the way people see this?

I imagine it's more often like this:


"We don't really care about classic servers!"

Blizzard introduces classic servers

"Ok, but at least make some small changes to fix the outright broken things?"

[Deleted]

why is this always the way people see this?

I imagine it's more often like this:


"We don't really care about classic servers!"

Blizzard introduces classic servers

"Ok, but at least make some small changes to fix the outright broken things?"

But there is nothing concrete to go on yet. People make a million assumptions and then complain about those.

[Hottage]

With Holy Shield, Anticipation, Deflection and +14 Defense from Zul'Gurub enchants you're already well on the way to defense cap.

Couple of tanking items and enchants and you can be defense capped (and still using a spell power weapon for threat).

[Lahis]

"We want classic servers!"

Blizzard introduces classic servers

"NO NOT LIKE THAT!"

"You think you do, but you don't." might still turn out to be very much true.

[bozoben]

How will I be able to show off my skill at druid\pally if they make them viable for everyone?
They are plenty viable in their own way, and that is what separates the good from the bad.

Saying that druids and pallies NEED to tank raid content to be a viable class is a joke, they are busted in their own rights.

+ if anything with the release patch being Drums of Warm, Druid and Pally tanks will be viable in their own rights as well.

[Soon-TM]

"Ok, but at least make some small changes to fix the outright broken things?"

Because fixing those things you claim to be "broken" breaks a lot of other things. Then you have to start changing the overall concept and gameplay of every single class, and then your game has nothing classic but the name.

[Deficineiron]

Because fixing those things you claim to be "broken" breaks a lot of other things. Then you have to start changing the overall concept and gameplay of every single class, and then your game has nothing classic but the name.

want to bet we end up with exactly that, with a good dose of 'bring the player not the class' thrown in?

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"You think you do, but you don't." might still turn out to be very much true.

I always wondered if what he was thinking when he said that was 'you want classic but if today's bobby kotick activision-blizzard remakes it you will wish it had never happened.' Alluding to one of tolkien's letters, it would be gandalf as ring-lord.

I have posited this (along with the Frankenstein server suggestion) since nost closed and it still wouldn't surprise me a bit to be mostly right.

blizzard talks a lot of jazz with developement-period buzz management efforts, but just look at their design decision over the last decade. I still have trouble believing classic gets out the door without a good dose of modern game design theory and blizzard (modern) best values thrown in. this is a fortune 500 video game company that wants high-margin revenue more than anything else in the world and forum bias seems to be the expectation that they will forgo it in this case.

[MrHorner]

I like the idea of buffing prot pallies and druids just a little bit so they can become somewhat vialbe. But removing crushing blows will also make warriors better.

[Super Kami Dende]

The funniest part of CLassic, is the people I see saying they want classes to stay unviable or to only have certain specs able to do certain things are the same people I see always complaining about how retail WoW is shit because classes are equal and they need to nerf or buff people.

[Christan]

The people who have pirated blizzard software for years on private servers, stealing from blizz, should be happy blizz is doing retail wow.
Though tbh i would prefer the pre-patch for tbc, to be the actual patch they come out with.

[Deleted]

If you do that, then alliance has an extra class that can tank - then i want shamans to be able to tank too.

Technically they can mate, just an fyi

[Deficineiron]

Technically they can mate, just an fyi

I would think some minor tweaking in the talent tree/abilities could make them more viable. anyone have specific thoughts?

[Hottage]

Technically they can mate, just an fyi

Rockbiter enchant and Earth Shock for days.

[Deleted]

>Want Vanilla
>Shit on Live
>Ask for QoL from Live


:rotfl:

[Deleted]

in a word: NO!

if you can't handle the fact that for raiding your only option is a warrior tank then this is not going to be for you, if you want to play a paladin get used to the idea of being a buff bot and healer/support, and forget playing a druid of any capacity outside of 'for teh lolz'.

I think they should at least nerf the Warriors damage to be on a level with Paladins, Druids or Shamans. After all, they are a hybrid class, with the option of Tank and DPS Specs. It is really bad balancing and a severe design flaw as well as obvious class favoritism that the Warrior as only class is fully able to do two different roles on such a high level. So I think they should either nerf the prot warrior or the dmg specs of the warrior.

I think this is a sensible change to put the classes more on an equal playing field: If hybrids are supposed to be good in one role and worse on their other ones, Warriors also should be bad in DPS.

[therealbowser]

We're starting to see prime example of why Classic wasn't actually the glory days people make it out to be.

I don't think it should be fixed. Not out of spite, but because this is the classic experience. It needs to be bad just as much as it needs to be good; it has to be true to the vanilla experience.

[ProphetFlume]

I remember using druid tanks for Fankriss in AQ40. We also did Ony with a shaman tank once. Even spriest/warlock could tank! (vs twins >.>)

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Though tbh i would prefer the pre-patch for tbc, to be the actual patch they come out with.

Talent trees would be super awkward. Arenas would be neat but the rest...

[Epoch]

I remember using druid tanks for Fankriss in AQ40. We also did Ony with a shaman tank once. Even spriest/warlock could tank! (vs twins >.>)

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Talent trees would be super awkward. Arenas would be neat but the rest...

Careful, by posting the above you'll upset the purists who never played nor understood druid tanks; but insist druids couldn't tank.

[Deleted]

Pally don't have taunt in classic so they can never seriously tank

[Deficineiron]

Pally don't have taunt in classic so they can never seriously tank

this in particular is so easy to fix that I will be very, very surprised if it isn't addressed.