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  1. #61
    You guys realize that the book where Azshara was compared to Archimonde was in the same book as Rhonin summoning an army of raptors right? It was written by Knaak.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    We do because she's one of the strongest entities in the Warcraft universe. To kill her off in her first raid would be an absolute shame. Even Archimonde and Kil'jaeden both had two appearances as raid bosses and Azshara is above both of them.
    learn your lore, war of the ancients trilogy stated that Archimonde is more superior than Azshara

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    You guys realize that the book where Azshara was compared to Archimonde was in the same book as Rhonin summoning an army of raptors right? It was written by Knaak.
    not compared Archimonde is superior

    When the portal to the other realm was almost open, the combined force of the night elves and their allies from the future (see War of the Ancients) charged in to destroy it. Irritated by the lack of order, Azshara approached Mannoroth and demanded an explanation. Enraged by both his own failure and the questions asked by the Queen, he wanted to rip her head off, but quickly saw the error of his ways when he realized that Azshara was "a force against which only his lord and Archimonde would prove superior".

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    Quote Originally Posted by The World View Post
    Who says she's above Archimonde and Kil'jaeden?

    Mannoroth claims that Archi and Jaeden could match her.
    not a match, but Archimonde is superior

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    except it doesn't.

    Archimonde and Sargeras are superior.

    that was stated.

    in fact, Azshara was so insignificant to Archimonde that he didn't even bother to look at her, let alone talk to her.
    oh, atlast someone who knows wow lore

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    You guys realize that the book where Azshara was compared to Archimonde was in the same book as Rhonin summoning an army of raptors right? It was written by Knaak.
    oh yeah, this although it was Acrhimonde >>>> Azshara

    she isn't as powerful as some people claim her to be.

    I doubt Blizzard even remembers what Knaak wrote considering their lore of WotA is VASTLY different than the one Knaak wrote.
    Quote Originally Posted by Farrarie View Post
    oh, atlast someone who knows wow lore
    thank you

  4. #64
    "Looks at a burning Tree"


    Have the guts? They Destroyed a Capital City, likely wipe out the majority of Night elves, only the army survived, and will be handing over Lordaeron to the Alliance, this will rally more Humans, Calia Menethil is coming back, this will rally Forsaken to the Alliance (Well some of them)

    Azshara? That's a corpse already walking (still talking about Azshara)

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Farrarie View Post
    learn your lore, war of the ancients trilogy stated that Archimonde is more superior than Azshara

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    not compared Archimonde is superior

    When the portal to the other realm was almost open, the combined force of the night elves and their allies from the future (see War of the Ancients) charged in to destroy it. Irritated by the lack of order, Azshara approached Mannoroth and demanded an explanation. Enraged by both his own failure and the questions asked by the Queen, he wanted to rip her head off, but quickly saw the error of his ways when he realized that Azshara was "a force against which only his lord and Archimonde would prove superior".

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    not a match, but Archimonde is superior

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    oh, atlast someone who knows wow lore
    I said she was compared

    com·pare
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    verb
    1.
    estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between.
    "individual schools compared their facilities with those of others in the area"
    synonyms: contrast, juxtapose, collate, differentiate
    "we compared the data sets"

  6. #66
    They'll never waste Azshara without giving us Nazjatar. So either she escapes before we defeat her in 8.1.5 to come back full force in 8.2 or we get Nazjatar in 8.1 as content patch.

    Of all villains left Azshara is one of the strongest.
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  7. #67
    Bear in mind "the Gul'dan of BFA" might not just refer to her position in the raid tiers. He was also an immense catalyst for the events of the expansion, before and after his death. And even Kil'jaeden died, but then had an entire patch with him as a main character posthumously.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    Bear in mind "the Gul'dan of BFA" might not just refer to her position in the raid tiers. He was also an immense catalyst for the events of the expansion, before and after his death. And even Kil'jaeden died, but then had an entire patch with him as a main character posthumously.
    You might be onto something. I mean Gul'dan had a direct effect and played a major role in two expansions (WoD & Legion) and a minor role / passive effect in another one (TBC).

    Azshara is at least as "big" als Gul'dan so I really don't see her being wasted as a simple raid encounter.
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  9. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by styil View Post
    Do you think Blizzard would have the guts to make Azshara a one hit wonder and kill her off in the very patch that she is introduced in BFA? I personally think that they will to make room for new characters and lore in WoW. What do you think?
    She's one of the last grand characters before the old gods.. So, I'd rather it dragged out.
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  10. #70
    "Have guts"? I don't think that is the question. Question is "Does it work with the story and did they planned it?".

  11. #71
    Shes a obscure c lister who even in novels is mentioned in a almost off hand fashion why wouldn't they kill her?

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr chub View Post
    Shes a obscure c lister who even in novels is mentioned in a almost off hand fashion why wouldn't they kill her?
    "Obscure C lister"

    •Ruled the entire world for thousands of years
    •The main reason the Legion discovered Azeroth, causing the Sundering and War of the Ancients (and indirectly the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd wars and the Scourge)
    •Brought up in WC3
    •Controls one of the major forces fought against in Vanilla, BC, Cata, and Legion
    •Literally has an entire zone named after her
    •One of the Artifacts is the scepter she used to use
    •Large antagonist in a book trilogy
    •Untouchable boss in a dungeon
    •Appears herself in two different questlines

    What does that make Deathwing or Sargeras?

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    "Obscure C lister"

    •Ruled the entire world for thousands of years
    •The main reason the Legion discovered Azeroth, causing the Sundering and War of the Ancients (and indirectly the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd wars and the Scourge)
    •Brought up in WC3
    •Controls one of the major forces fought against in Vanilla, BC, Cata, and Legion
    •Literally has an entire zone named after her
    •One of the Artifacts is the scepter she used to use
    •Large antagonist in a book trilogy
    •Untouchable boss in a dungeon
    •Appears herself in two different questlines

    What does that make Deathwing or Sargeras?
    In the case of deathwing a boring character that got plot revived more then he should of and sargaras a creator God.

    She is just a C list cillian her entire role since first appearing has been to be a unwitting servant of a higher power. Shes kel'thuzard without personality.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr chub View Post
    In the case of deathwing a boring character that got plot revived more then he should of and sargaras a creator God.

    She is just a C list cillian her entire role since first appearing has been to be a unwitting servant of a higher power. Shes kel'thuzard without personality.
    So... the same as Illidan, Arthas, KJ, Deathwing, Garrosh, Gul'dan, Archimonde, Sargeras, and nearly every raid boss in the game? Except, you know, she knew full well what she was doing and was happy to do it for the sake of even more power and to become an ever greater monarch? If you think Kel'thuzad has more personality than Azshara, you are actually beyond help.

  15. #75
    Are you joking? They killed Arthas, they killed Garrosh, Illidan, Kael'thas, Varian, Tirion, Vol'jin, Cairne. You think they won't kill a Azshara? WUT? She's a mediocre character that hasn't had any development in the history of the franchise, and the upcoming 3 min video will be pretty much all the depth that character will ever have. Azshara doesn't take guts to kill, just 20 virgins with an insatiable hunger for loot.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    So... the same as Illidan, Arthas, KJ, Deathwing, Garrosh, Gul'dan, Archimonde, Sargeras, and nearly every raid boss in the game? Except, you know, she knew full well what she was doing and was happy to do it for the sake of even more power and to become an ever greater monarch? If you think Kel'thuzad has more personality than Azshara, you are actually beyond help.
    Yes...he does as he actually does something. The entirety of Azshara's contribution to the plot can be summoned up as she ordered high elves to open a portal.

    That's it... maybe they can make something of the character but she isn't a major character in terms of plot. You can go so far as to simply delete her from the plot and nothing changes...at all they don't even need to put a stand in it's a void of a character.

  17. #77
    Blizzard only care about Night Elf lore enough to use it as plot or source material for the Horde. Azshara will definitely be killed. They have no restraint when it comes to punching anything even remotely related to Night Elves in the guts.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr chub View Post
    Yes...he does as he actually does something. The entirety of Azshara's contribution to the plot can be summoned up as she ordered high elves to open a portal.
    And led most of their arcane research in the first place. And destroyed a Titan relic cursing thousands of people into undeath. And captured an Elemental Lord, and fought against Malfurion at the Well, and distracted him while Ragnaros' forces marched on Hyjal, and sent Vashj to assist Illidan and subsequently the Blood Elves, lead the Night Elven forces to conquering the entire world and shattering the early troll empire. And struck a bargain with N'zoth to turn the highborne into an entirely new race that controls most of the sea.

    I would love to hear the version of Warcraft where you remove Azshara and the Naga cease to exist so Kael and the other Blood Elves die on the battlefield (not that they would even exist, since they are the descendants of the Highborne who were transformed by the ever increasing magic usage under Azshara), and the Legion doesn't find Azeroth until they stumble upon it in person and destroy the world.

  19. #79
    I think she'll die in the raid but start something worse, that's the most she deserves :P

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    And led most of their arcane research in the first place. And destroyed a Titan relic cursing thousands of people into undeath. And captured an Elemental Lord, and fought against Malfurion at the Well, and distracted him while Ragnaros' forces marched on Hyjal, and sent Vashj to assist Illidan and subsequently the Blood Elves, lead the Night Elven forces to conquering the entire world and shattering the early troll empire. And struck a bargain with N'zoth to turn the highborne into an entirely new race that controls most of the sea.

    I would love to hear the version of Warcraft where you remove Azshara and the Naga cease to exist so Kael and the other Blood Elves die on the battlefield (not that they would even exist, since they are the descendants of the Highborne who were transformed by the ever increasing magic usage under Azshara), and the Legion doesn't find Azeroth until they stumble upon it in person and destroy the world.
    Let's go through your list unless it's in the revised lore nearly none of that happened.

    She didn't lead any of the arcane research that was her advisor. She didn't destroy the tidestone if that is what you are talking about though she did curse them with undeath. She never captured a elemental lord that was an old God and a abondaned plot by blizzard to boot. I can't recall her being at the well or involved with ragnaros at all... are you sure your not thinking of another character? She never sent vashj to help illidan unless the lords been rewritten in chronicles. She didn't lead the elves to war beyond being a figure head. She didn't strike a bargain the old gods came to her rescue.

    The naga are important Azshara just isn't that involved in the plot shes just a backround character.

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