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Hrde lost city. Alliance lost morale. Once gain Sylvanas laughed at Andiun and showed he is just a boy and is not good king. If not Jaina he could be dead. Horde lost city but overall horde did MUCH more when defending undercity than alliance when defending teldrssil.
I hope for any good alliance vicory in the future and Andiun to not be so bad at war
Maybe you haven't read the novellas and such. But the horde didn't destroy the Night Elves, Malfurion's plan wasn't to win, his plan was to delay so that the tree could be evacuated, that's why Tyrande wasn't there. She wanted to fight, but they both knew the evacuation was more important since the battle couldn't be won.
True, not everyone made it out, but a large portion did, so much so that Stormwind was overflowing with refugees and they needed to be moved to Goldshire and other parts around the city.
The horde also did not take Darnassus without casualties. They paid a significant price to march through Ashenvale, then Darkshore.
The Alliance casualties in the battle for Undercity are similar to the Horde casualties in Kalimdor. There were some lost to the blight, but as you can see in the cinematic, Anduin kept a lot of his forces alive. After Jaina shows up, the horde are fully routed with little ability to strike back effectively.
Now you say that Alliance is flooded with refugees and Horde isn't? The Night Elves are probably no more in number than the Forsaken. Just because their war forces were spread thinly through the surrounding forests doesn't mean there "two regions" of refugees. Their number will be similar to the forsaken. And in any case, Night Elf Refugees are going to be better received than Forsaken Refugees, considering they smell of rotting flesh and are generally distrusted by the majority of jorde races.
Now strategically, each side has lost about the same thing. The Alliance lost the Night Elf area, and that's a massive blow to the Alliance's ability to move forces to and about Kalimdor, and the Draenei are somewhat isolated on their island. But the Horde are in the same position. They've lost not only the Undercity, but their ability to stage any kind of troops in the Eastern Kingdoms. They will lose not only Tirisfal Glades, but Silverpine Forest, and their stranglehold on Gilneas.
Additionally, the Alliance is united, while the Horde has divided itself. Each side has won a single battle now. From a destruction standpoint, yes the Horde has destroyed a lot, including their own city, but from a tactical standpoint, the horde have placed themselves in a disadvantaged position. They more or less won Kalimdor, but they lost the Eastern Kingdoms in the gambit AND they also created an enemy out of a kingdom that otherwise would have left them alone for generations. She traded peace and prosperity for a stalemate. In that sense, Sylvanas lost the most, because she had a chance for victory over the alliance, and she's lost that.
There are three things at stake in war:
Territory, Troops, and Civilians
In the Battle for Darkshore Alliance lost all three, Horde lost some troops. Overall, Staggering loss for Alliance, Huge win for Horde.
In the Battle for Lordaeron Alliance lost the Territory, but also lost a lot of Troops. The plague decimated both Horde and Alliance, but those affected by the plague then served Sylvanas. Horde already evacuated the civilians and lost the Territory, but that was the back up plan from the beginning to kill as many Alliance troops as possible.
Whichever side loses more resources is the loser. Alliance lost a lot of Troops and gained nothing for it. Horde now have the upper hand against the so-called "world super power".
Overall, Horde won by miles. It's not even a debate really.
What? The Horde didn't lose. Each faction lost a city, so cut the common denominator. The most the Horde lost is Saurfang and we know for a fact that's only temporary. Meanwhile the Alliance lost a large portion of an entire race. There's no contest.
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Making you waste so many lives mean you did lose and the Horde's plan worked. Go cry somewhere else.
You are hugely underestimating Horde losses during the War of Thorns, in "Good war" Saurfang said at one point that the NE were actually gona win, military casualties Horde suffered more then the NE, according to the novel. Since most of the NE forces were away and the ships that returned were not the bulk of the fleet.
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The Alliance didn't loose, the Horde lost 1 of their capitals in the continent, with only 1 left thats not called losing, its a pyhric victory.
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The Horde did lose, losing a very important capital city is losing.
Saurfang is not gonna rejoin the current Horde.
And the NE civilian casualties are actually not that big as we first thought. A lot get out.
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You lost a huge number of tropps and had to rely on reserves which at that point were Forsaken only, and those got routed.
You still lost a city, same way we did.
You're definitely right on two points... But the first you're wrong on.
A Battle has objectives. And if you succeed in your objectives, you've won the battle. Those objectives can be simple, like taking a castle, or complex, like undermining the enemy's supply lines through precision strikes to avoid the bulk of their military while focusing on taking out their infrastructure.
The Horde didn't go into Lordaeron with the objective of protecting and keeping the city. They went in with the objectives of getting the civilians out, doing as much damage to the Alliance Military as possible, and killing their leadership. The Alliance went in with the intention to capture or kill Sylvanas, and to take Lordaeron for their own.
The Horde succeeded at 2 of their 3 objectives. The Alliance succeeded at 0 of their 2 objectives. The Alliance lost the battle.
If it's comforting, though? The Horde lost the War of Thorns.
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Darnassus was a win for the Horde. Undercity was basically a draw. I'm pretty sure Sylvanas knew she was sacrificing it when she burned the world tree, but it would have been worth it if Jaina hadn't shown up and saved the Allie's leadership.
Nobody won. The Alliance gained nothing. Maybe the Horde lost more, but the Alliance certainly can't claim it as a successful conquest when the Western Plaguelands just doubled in size.
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