Is Saurfangs holier than thou attitude annoying?

[mysticx]

For the good side to win, bad things has to happen. Where the line is needs to be clear or you end up killing people on the battlefield like they're nothing but vermin getting exterminated. It's never been a matter of accuracy of the guns and bombs but a matter of when they should be used or not.
Follow the code of conduct for war in the Geneva convention and recognizing human rights or reduce them to lower rung, bottom feed, cannon fodder to be expended towards achieving a goal by the commanders, because their value as individuals is diminished to various degrees by factors for power and control.

Sylv and Saur are from two completely different backgrounds and I think it's cool you can see it in how they lead their armies. What they're willing to give up in order to win and what they're willing to give up in order to preserve their traditions.

But what is made clear in Saurfang's part of the story is that it isn't the battles that he regrets (While he has higher esteem for his opponents than the average orc, that doesn't alter his actions in combat), the three main atrocities that weigh on him involve the wanton and tactically pointless slaughter of civilians in Shattrath, Stormwind (He specifically mentions running down the streets slaying anybody they could catch) and Teldrassil (Maybe two dozen soldiers left up there, every ablebodied soldier being sent down to Darkshore or Ashenvale before then), he did what he could to get civilians out of the firing line in Lor'danel ("Today, we showed them honour")

War is messy business, everybody knows that, even all the armchair-barbarians on this forum, people die (usually in gory as well as noisy fashion, with the complaining of missing limbs and messed up clothes), and yes, there is going to be collateral damage, but just abandoning even the pretense of decency, razing the entire city and going "Kill them all, let Elune sort them out", well, it's easy to see how that might bother Saurfang, or for that matter anybody else who puts any actual value on honour...

[Trassk]

Saurfang still wants to commit suicide.
Sylvanas doesnt.

yes, because she's seen what happens when he does kill herself, how she'll be confined to hell and suffering. So really her only existence now is her fighting of death and killing anyone who would be a threat to her personal existence. To her, her own people are just a wall to stave off death, even other forsaken who would be condemned to the hell she experienced.
She's content with her own people suffering in torment forever rather then facing her own demise.

[Verdugo]

yes, because she's seen what happens when he does kill herself, how she'll be confined to hell and suffering. So really her only existence now is her fighting of death and killing anyone who would be a threat to her personal existence. To her, her own people are just a wall to stave off death, even other forsaken who would be condemned to the hell she experienced.
She's content with her own people suffering in torment forever rather then facing her own demise.

*citation needed*

[BadguyNotBadGuy]

... cur just like Sylvanas ...

lol, didnt realise insults from the 18th century are making a comeback

[Maljinwo]

I don't find him annoying.
But I do find that his fixation with honor has surprassed a certain treshold.

He has become a mere cartoon protagonist with only 1 personality trait.
Also suicidal.


It's sad to see him reduced to this

[Deleted]

She's content with her own people suffering in torment forever rather then facing her own demise.

Is that why she evacuated the Undercity immediately after Teldrassil then, rather than simply using them as fodder against the Alliance...?

[Dug]

Annoying when it came to Malfurion. Not annoying when Sylvanas is blighting horde troops and raising them as mindless skeletons. Time and place

[Trassk]

Is that why she evacuated the Undercity immediately after Teldrassil then, rather than simply using them as fodder against the Alliance...?

Stop pretending she somehow cares about anyone but herself. This is what I found with Garrosh, fans of a character don't like having any criticism, even factual ones, thrown at said character, because the fans are so emotionally attached to them it becomes a personal insult to them to criticize them.

Her only reason for securing the rest of the forsaken is for further fodder later when she knew the alliance would take the city, she predicted they would, thats why she set up the city to be doused in blight, she used the alliances attack on the city as a means to try and kill them, she didn't give a shit about her city or even her own people being lost. Wanna know how its obvious? She Raised horde warrior into undead skeletons, an act no other leader would ever agree to.

Why do you lot have this weird, almost religious fixation with thinking this cunt of a character has any redeemable qualities to her?

[Cerus]

He is a petty and cowardly child murderer who to this day escaped any just punishment for the crimes he commited and acts like a moral authority.

If he had honor, he would allow the Draenei whose children he slaughtered to put him under trial and judge him accordingly. He is an utter hypocrite who puts himself on a moral pedestal that he doesn't deserves by judging others on standarts he himself failed and never accepted the consequences for. His perception of himself as the ultimate moral and honorable authority makes me question of his alleged guilt is in truth just a narcassistic attempt to paint himself as morally superior for claiming to feel guilt.

He is on the same emotional and moral level of celebrities who love to present themselves as liberal moral authorities and feminists, while they themselves abuse women. I think it is a shame for the entire Alliance, that they treat a child murderer with this kind of respect. He should be publicly dragged in nude through public where the public has the opportunity to throw dirt and rotten food at him before he gets broken on the wheel by the who he tried to exterminate as a people. His corps should be thrown into the canals to rot.

This is the end Saurfang the Child Slayer deserves.

You mean the same Draenei who brought the legion upon the Orcs home world by doing what the always do when times get tough?

They got what they deserved. Because of them we have all the problems we have now. They don’t even deserve a trial for all the innocent orcs slaughtered and corrupted by the legion.

[Super Dickmann]

Stop pretending she somehow cares about anyone but herself. This is what I found with Garrosh, fans of a character don't like having any criticism, even factual ones, thrown at said character, because the fans are so emotionally attached to them it becomes a personal insult to them to criticize them.

Her only reason for securing the rest of the forsaken is for further fodder later when she knew the alliance would take the city, she predicted they would, thats why she set up the city to be doused in blight, she used the alliances attack on the city as a means to try and kill them, she didn't give a shit about her city or even her own people being lost. Wanna know how its obvious? She Raised horde warrior into undead skeletons, an act no other leader would ever agree to.

Why do you lot have this weird, almost religious fixation with thinking this cunt of a character has any redeemable qualities to her?

>When Sylvanas evacuating her people is signs of her evil ulterior motive but Baine forgiving the people who destroyed their town and exiling those who wanted justice is good
Noble savages get the Blight too.

All memes aside, we know for a fact from her perspective that she cares for the Forsaken and wants to keep them alive, both in Edge of Night and in Before the Storm. We also know for a fact Garrosh was concerned about the orcs being put to waste away in a desert because of Thrall's green guilt. That a character is an antagonist doesn't mean they don't have laudable qualities or care for their people.

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Stop pretending she somehow cares about anyone but herself. This is what I found with Garrosh, fans of a character don't like having any criticism, even factual ones, thrown at said character, because the fans are so emotionally attached to them it becomes a personal insult to them to criticize them.

Her only reason for securing the rest of the forsaken is for further fodder later when she knew the alliance would take the city, she predicted they would, thats why she set up the city to be doused in blight, she used the alliances attack on the city as a means to try and kill them, she didn't give a shit about her city or even her own people being lost. Wanna know how its obvious? She Raised horde warrior into undead skeletons, an act no other leader would ever agree to.

Why do you lot have this weird, almost religious fixation with thinking this cunt of a character has any redeemable qualities to her?

It infuriates you doesn’t it, when somebody points out something that undermines your cliche “argument” and you gotta use a barrage of headcanon to substantiate it? If she knew a massive Alliance response was coming, it would make zero sense to save people for later use when the imminent threat is now, and she had them ready to use now. But you can’t explain that based on what we actually see and know, so you just gotta resort to assumptions and theory crafting instead which is the sign of somebody blinded by hatred of a character, which in fact makes you no better whatsoever than the fans you judge from you high horse. Seriously, take a look at yourself first...

[Deleted]

It's boring because he's not very consistent, and orc are as honorable as Hitler, do they not remember being dishonorable when using draenei's to fuel the dark portal, or any other Guldan projects, do they not remember cleansing the majority of the lands under orc ruling? None of them deserve an honorable death, not even Saurfang.

Mind you I'm horde, but neither sides have a thing called honor, the only difference is that one side pretends to have it and the other doesn't care if they have it or not.

[Spiffums]

It’s not, because it’s an integral part of orc culture. It seems to be almost a religion. Now Anduin talking about honor sounds pretentious.

Well it's a good thing the orcs make up the bulk of the Horde then huh!

[Kokolums]

Bad writing = great writing these days because "it shows how passionate fans are".

[Rexosaurus]

When it comes from him it's just hypocritical, as many people have pointed out in this thread.

When he tried to lecture Anduin about honor I was like "Bro, you JUST finished ganking Malfurion from behind and then watched Teldrassil get burned to the ground". I had the same reaction when you see him in the stockades as Horde.

That's my only beef with it though. If Thrall, or Eitrigg, or Cairne (RIP T-T) stepped up on a soap-box and started lecturing the Horde about honor then I'd be fine with it. That's kind of their thing.

[Checkt]

honor is just self righteousness

More than annoying. Almost as annoying as the people who are on the whole #NotMyWarchief campaign....