Some Lore questions Arthas/Old Gods/Titans

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1. Why The Lichking (Arthas) hold back the Scourge when they easily would overrun azzeroth?
(it was said that his goal was to kill all life on azeroth that the Burning Legion would have nothing to conquer)

no sense
2.Why the Lichking had the fight vs us in the only place where he can be defeated The Frozen Throne

Why would he do that.

3.Why thw Old Gods didnt corrupt the Titsn (azeroth) while they was in charge for thousands of years?

What they did? they ruled the planet and what? nothing more?

4.Why the Titans left Azeroth as they knew how powerful she will be just with some shit guards or shit constructions and why they allways get corrupted or stop working.?

Knowing how thw Old gods work snd how importsnt azeroth is why would they lesve?

5.Why The Light helped Tirion Fordring to defeat The Lich King?
What possible reasons the Light would have to help him?
Wich goals the Light had? Just because The Lichking is bad?



6.Why is Arthas in „hell“ and suffers? wich might decides what is good or not good and why?
Sending Arthas to hell is= The most powerfull might that decides what will be adter death and the force who decides it its good/light? So we know it all doesnt matter when a light force or whatever will doom all bad or good people in the end.

[Golden Yak]

1) Presumably, some leftover humanity left deep within him. I don't know, I think this was kind've dumb too since they put so much effort emphasis on Arthas killing the better parts of himself.

2) He planned for the best of the best of Azeroth's heroes to reach him after their armies had been ground down against his Scourge. He was going to kill the heroes then turn them into his new elite Scourge commanders, the strongest heroes of Azeroth under his control. But he underestimated us and Tyrion's connection to the Light. He never imagined he'd be defeated.

3) There's some hints that only one Old God alone can do it, and so they were fighting amongst each other for the privilege. During their rule they not only messed with each other and the other inhabitants of the planet, all the while they were burrowing their roots deep into the planet. But corrupting the planet took more time than they had. The Titans stopped them before they could complete the process.

4) The Titans did everything they could to help Azeroth grow up pure, and wanted to go help other worlds. They didn't anticipate how good the Old Gods would be at subverting their efforts. And they got destroyed by Sargeras before they could go back and check up on her anyway.

5) The Light responds to those who call on it. It even answers jerks like the Scarlet Crusade.

6) We're not exactly sure where his soul ended up. The Void? The Shadowlands? It's a mystery! But Arthas messed with seriously dark power, so either the power of the Void or Death claimed his soul after his demise. It might not be any kind of thinking entity that decides where a soul ends up, but what actions that soul takes - mess with the darker powers, and they'll swallow you.

[Dravec]

1. Scourge couldn’t overrun Azeroth. Been proven many times that the whole “there must always be a Lich King” story was just a plot device in case Blizzard ever wants to use the Scourge again.


2. I’m not sure where this even comes from. Nowhere has it been stated that he can only be beaten at the Frozen Throne, nor does it make any sense. It’s obviously taking from the One Ring only being able to be destroyed in Mordor, but tossing it into a magic volcano makes that story work. How would beating the LK anywhere but the Frozen Throne work? We’d crush his head and it would magically pop back into existence? We could smash the helmet on the Frozen Throne, but not on a random rock? Like what lol.

3. Simply because it was a half-assed retcon made by Chronicles and Blizzard probably forgot about that or chalked it up to “it takes a long time to corrupt a world”.

4. They left to find other world souls. They had the Old Gods and Elemental Lords imprisoned, no reason to stick around.

5. The Light helped him because he was the Light’s greatest champion and he was desperate and called for one final blessing, which is why the Light didn’t save him from dying in Legion.

6. Green Jesus.

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[QUOTE=Golden Yak;50064389]1) Presumably, some leftover humanity left deep within him. I don't know, I think this was kind've dumb too since they put so much effort emphasis on Arthas killing the better parts of himself.

2) He planned for the best of the best of Azeroth's heroes to reach him after their armies had been ground down against his Scourge. He was going to kill the heroes then turn them into his new elite Scourge commanders, the strongest heroes of Azeroth under his control. But he underestimated us and Tyrion's connection to the Light. He never imagined he'd be defeated.


Why he need the most powerful heros when he anyways with the scourge unleashwd would kill all on the planet? he would claim them so or so when he would do it.

4) The Titans did everything they could to help Azeroth grow up pure, and wanted to go help other worlds. They didn't anticipate how good the Old Gods would be at subverting their efforts. And they got destroyed by Sargeras before they could go back and check up on her anyway.

They studied and try to understand the old gods in uldir they knew how they work and how dangerous they are they just gone away

[eurojust]

It's kinda funny that the "good" part of arthas (ie the boy you see in wotlk), is the one doomed in hell for eternity.

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Why he need the most powerful heros when he anyways with the scourge unleashwd would kill all on the planet? he would claim them so or so when he would do it.

Why do you farm Invincible mount, if you already have collection full of racial mounts? Because of vanity, arrogance maybe even.
The betrayal of Ebon knights was a big hit on Arthas's ego, he wanted to prove he would do better without them. He wanted the BEST Azeroth has to offer, not dead, but serving him.

In the end it was this vanity that killed him, he invited those he coveted the most very close to his vulnerable spot, but his arrogance killed him when he foolishly bit off too much to swallow.

[Combatbutler]

1. Why The Lichking (Arthas) hold back the Scourge when they easily would overrun azzeroth?
(it was said that his goal was to kill all life on azeroth that the Burning Legion would have nothing to conquer)

In order to lure out the most powerful champions of the factions, having them follow in his footsteps, killing them in the ice crown citadel and then unleashing them across azeroth, the full might of the scourge behind them.

no sense

2.Why the Lichking had the fight vs us in the only place where he can be defeated The Frozen Throne

Why would he do that.

It is rather foolish assumption to say the lich king can only be defeated in the icecrown citadel, his power is bound in the vessel he inhabits, the frozen throne was once his sanctuary, due to being chained to a piece of armor and being vulnerable, ever since he got a host the throne was simply that a throne.

3.Why thw Old Gods didnt corrupt the Titsn (azeroth) while they was in charge for thousands of years?

What they did? they ruled the planet and what? nothing more?

They were in the process of doing just that, but corrupting a world soul takes quite some time.

4.Why the Titans left Azeroth as they knew how powerful she will be just with some shit guards or shit constructions and why they allways get corrupted or stop working.?

Knowing how thw Old gods work snd how importsnt azeroth is why would they lesve?

The old gods are gnats to the titans they left because sargeras called, they weren't expected to be defeated. Otherwise they would have been around and could have come running at the first sign of trouble.

5.Why The Light helped Tirion Fordring to defeat The Lich King?
What possible reasons the Light would have to help him?
Wich goals the Light had? Just because The Lichking is bad?

The light follows one linear path the only true outcome it wants and it will do so in any way it wants, the lich king is not part of that future it wishes for. And it depends on the willpower of the individual wielding it, Tyrion called upon quite a bit of it and the light is bad news for the vast majority of undead.

6.Why is Arthas in „hell“ and suffers? wich might decides what is good or not good and why?
Sending Arthas to hell is= The most powerfull might that decides what will be adter death and the force who decides it its good/light? So we know it all doesnt matter when a light force or whatever will doom all bad or good people in the end.[

The afterlife in general is not necessarily a pleasant place, the shadowlands is the default for general people and it hasn't been described as a nice place.

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it was said by arthas father or uther wotlk icecrown trailer that arthas can only be defeated in ithw frozwn throne

[Combatbutler]

it was said by arthas father or uther wotlk icecrown trailer that arthas can only be defeated in ithw frozwn throne

That is rather nice of them, but a rather pointless point they made, since the power of the lich king is bound to a vessel, it was the armor and the block of ice initially, which was damaged by illidan and the lich king was bleeding slowly to death so to speak and after he got Arthas there he became the new vessel, after its destruction Bolvar took a part of the armor that originally held him and in doings so what remained of the lich kings power fused with him as it did with Arthas making him the new vessel.

[eurojust]

That is rather nice of them, but a rather pointless point they made, since the power of the lich king is bound to a vessel, it was the armor and the block of ice initially, which was damaged by illidan and the lich king was bleeding slowly to death so to speak and after he got Arthas there he became the new vessel, after its destruction Bolvar took a part of the armor that originally held him and in doings so what remained of the lich kings power fused with him as it did with Arthas making him the new vessel.

What fused with arthas was ner'zhul, and ner'zhul is now 100% dead.

[Combatbutler]

What fused with arthas was ner'zhul, and ner'zhul is now 100% dead.

Ner'zhul was all of the lich kings power, before Arthas became his host and Bolvar got what was left with the helm of domination, starting over and without much knowledge of what he was doing, which is why he lost control over many undead.

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That is rather nice of them, but a rather pointless point they made, since the power of the lich king is bound to a vessel, it was the armor and the block of ice initially, which was damaged by illidan and the lich king was bleeding slowly to death so to speak and after he got Arthas there he became the new vessel, after its destruction Bolvar took a part of the armor that originally held him and in doings so what remained of the lich kings power fused with him as it did with Arthas making him the new vessel.

its canon and it is in the trailer/ or quest i didnt renember/
is to destroy him at the place he was created.

next thing in wod there is a quest grom darion

„Though the Lich King has been defeated, we are no closer to unlocking the secrets of the Frozen Throne“

wich secrets?

[Combatbutler]

its canon and it is in the trailer/ or quest i didnt renember/
is to destroy him at the place he was created.

next thing in wod there is a quest grom darion

„Though the Lich King has been defeated, we are no closer to unlocking the secrets of the Frozen Throne“

wich secrets?

First of all the Lich king was created in the twisting nether and the frozen throne is a block of ice from the twisting nether. Parts of the lich kings powers are bound to the armor forged by the nath'rezhim, . Most notably the helm of domination.

[Zandalariprelate]

It's kinda funny that the "good" part of arthas (ie the boy you see in wotlk), is the one doomed in hell for eternity.

I always though that was his soul being whole again, because even Sylvanas feel whole again on that place and could feel again emotions she hasnt feeled in a while. Makes you wonder what are planning with Uther's Tomb

[Dannihilate]

Giving Arthas the same hamfisted "retcon" secret motivation that they did to both Sargeras and Illidan was the worst thing about the newest Chronicles book and completely unnecessary for his character. He doesn't need some crap redemption arc where he was doing the wrong thing but ultimately for the right reasons. The Lich King was an evil, sadistic, sociopath who delighted in bringing pain and suffering upon everyone he crossed paths with and that's why we loved him. Saying that he was secretly torturing everyone and damning their souls just to raise an army to fight the Legion is dumb, and it's double dumb since the plague of undeath originated with the Legion in the first place.

Besides, killing every living creature on the planet and raising them as undead to make an army is an incredibly stupid strategy, especially verses the Legion. That's a war of attrition that he would lose. The Legion army is constantly growing AND their fallen soldiers regenerate in the Nether and then just come back, whereas Arthas' army would just get whittled away until it was gone, since if everyone is dead, there's no one left for him to raise for new soldiers.

[eurojust]

Giving Arthas the same hamfisted "retcon" secret motivation that they did to both Sargeras and Illidan was the worst thing about the newest Chronicles book and completely unnecessary for his character. He doesn't need some crap redemption arc where he was doing the wrong thing but ultimately for the right reasons. The Lich King was an evil, sadistic, sociopath who delighted in bringing pain and suffering upon everyone he crossed paths with and that's why we loved him. Saying that he was secretly torturing everyone and damning their souls just to raise an army to fight the Legion is dumb, and it's double dumb since the plague of undeath originated with the Legion in the first place.

Besides, killing every living creature on the planet and raising them as undead to make an army is an incredibly stupid strategy, especially verses the Legion. That's a war of attrition that he would lose. The Legion army is constantly growing AND their fallen soldiers regenerate in the Nether and then just come back, whereas Arthas' army would just get whittled away until it was gone, since if everyone is dead, there's no one left for him to raise for new soldiers.

I agree about the retcon secret motivation. However lot of people liked arthas from wc3, not the saturday cartoon vilain he was turned into during wotlk.
In fact he didn't even had any motivations (which is why people brought stupid theories like he was fighting void/legion).
I expected to finally see what Ner'zhul had planned after being freed from the legion, but it turned out that you had to read a book to understand that one of the most important character of warcraft lore died offscreen.

[Dannihilate]

I agree about the retcon secret motivation. However lot of people liked arthas from wc3, not the saturday cartoon vilain he was turned into during wotlk.
In fact he didn't even had any motivations (which is why people brought stupid theories like he was fighting void/legion).
I expected to finally see what Ner'zhul had planned after being freed from the legion, but it turned out that you had to read a book to understand that one of the most important character of warcraft lore died offscreen.

Yeah, I guess I've mostly forgotten him popping up everywhere during the questing in Northrend, taunting you, then disappearing. That was rather cartoon villain 101. I mostly just think of him from WC3 and then the Icecrown raid. His description of the "horrors" he inflicted on Bolvar's soul doesn't sound like something someone would say if they were secretly forming an army to fight the Legion. And even if that was the original intent for him, a revenge story against the Legion would have been far more compelling than him secretly wanting to protect Azeroth from them, and would have fit in better with the current lore and dialog we had for him.

And I want to officially say that I despise any major lore revelations taking place in books. Books should be supplemental reading, not core reading.