Malfurion and Druidism's Dark Side

[Arrashi]

i want to know how u look like irl. got any pics?

Google freddy krueger.

[Proskill]

Google freddy krueger.

rly tho. i see plenty of your posts. u speak of human potential peak and non-toxic masculinity. i want to unironically see how u look irl. might be pm

[Arrashi]

rly tho. i see plenty of your posts. u speak of human potential peak and non-toxic masculinity. i want to unironically see how u look irl. might be pm

You know that sounds kinda creepy. Im not sure if i want to have my own stalker....but i appreciate thought.

[Proskill]

You know that sounds kinda creepy. Im not sure if i want to have my own stalker....but i appreciate thought.

we even joined mmo-c at the same time. come on bro

[Alpharius]

Its a simple resurrection that creates undead. Aka "Totally not a necromancy".

Resurrection the spell is able to raise their spirit. Or their body if the caster is skilled at it like whitemane.
Still counts as light magic though.

[Dellis0991]

In lore Malfurion is a fucking powerhouse, in game he is a glass chin chump. I said it before if they decide to kill him off I want him to go out like a absolute badass...he better live up to the name Stormrage.

[ohwell]

You're still disregarding the fact that wisps are commanded by many night elves, not just malfurion. They literally sacrifice themselves to speed the growth of ancients and sap the mana of enemies at the command of their night elven brothers and sisters. Remember, you AREN'T malfurion in WCIII and you still command the wisps to do these things. Simply having a method of calling LOUDLY for their aid and having a bunch respond doesn't tie him any more closely to the darkness than a bullhorn ties a human commander to the darkness.

The power comes from Cenarius, the demigod of nature, it's not surprising the horn can literally call nature spirits to a user's aid. There is nothing REMOTELY necrotic about it, you're really reaching hard. This is jet fuel/steel beams levels of conspiracy.

Not saying Malfurion won't end up being a bad guy (I don't like him at all personally), but this is a really bad argument for it. And if he becomes corrupted by the old gods, then yeah, obviously he'll be bad. But he shows NO signs of it at the current time.

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You guys are having a pointless argument, banshees existed long before Arthas... it's in their bio.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Banshee#cite_note-MoM-0

I mean that's what I was implying. All of the Kalimdor banshees were from other sources.

[Thimagryn]

Thrall is a master shaman. Shamanism can be used to speak to the dead or summon feral spirits. Ergo, Thrall IS POWERFUL NECROMANCER

[Deleted]

Oh, kinda like Nurge from Warhammer 40k?

[vertigo12]

They're the same events. Archimonde was not defeated twice at Hyjal, and Arthas did not purge Stratholme more than once. Not sure what you're even getting at with Jaina, she leaves before Arthas starts the purge in both versions.

I'm not saying WC3 Battle for Mt. Hyjal in WC3 was different from the one in CoT.

CoS in WotLK has a different twist to it since the infinite dragonflight are trying to meddle with the event.

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Thrall is a master shaman. Shamanism can be used to speak to the dead or summon feral spirits. Ergo, Thrall IS POWERFUL NECROMANCER

He talks and commune with them but never use them in a battle or fight against an enemy.

FYI the first warlock/necromancer was an Orc Draenor's Shaman.

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Resurrection the spell is able to raise their spirit. Or their body if the caster is skilled at it like whitemane.
Still counts as light magic though.

The point of necromantic power is using a life source for the purpose of destruction. Malfurion uses and calls upon wisp similar to a weapon. He could even cause fire with using wisp as spirit fire to burn enemies and singe flesh to nothing.

[Arrashi]

Resurrection the spell is able to raise their spirit. Or their body if the caster is skilled at it like whitemane.
Still counts as light magic though.

Yeah...you got actual in-game proof for that ? Because so far its just "Its totally not necromancy because blandliance would never do something so bad" gibberish.

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Thrall is a master shaman. Shamanism can be used to speak to the dead or summon feral spirits. Ergo, Thrall IS POWERFUL NECROMANCER

Communication with spirits is just a bit diffrent than ripping them out of fresh corpses. Just a little diffrent.

Unless you gonna tell me that when arthas ripped sylvanas soul out of her body he uses shamanistic arts.

Oh and gothic the harvester is shaman right ? Or maybe druid ?

[vertigo12]

He isn't controlling spirits... the wisps have independence. They were answering his call. In WCIII you control wisp units, and you aren't assuming the role of Malfurion to do it, you control him too.

Wisps willingly extinguished themselves to aid Malfurion, a powerful protector of the forest, when he called. That's all.

You're attributing some sort of magical control over an unconventional army where there is none. Wisps aren't really undead, they are pure spirits, and they hang around of their own accord, uncontrolled by anyone. It would be the same as claiming that Anduin has magical control of his human army. Sure wisps aren't alive, but they aren't dominated undead either.

If they do indeed display and exercise free will or independence, there should be a few wisps continuing what they are doing on their own.Circling around a tree, roaming around an area , etc. Have you seen Darkshore town becoming a "ghost town" as the fresh corpse of Night Elves there suddenly disappeared but streams of wisps are rallying at Malfurion's way point?

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Yeah...you got actual in-game proof for that ? Because so far its just "Its totally not necromancy because blandliance would never do something so bad" gibberish.

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Communication with spirits is just a bit diffrent than ripping them out of fresh corpses. Just a little diffrent.

Unless you gonna tell me that when arthas ripped sylvanas soul out of her body he uses shamanistic arts.

Oh and gothic the harvester is shaman right ? Or maybe druid ?

Now that you mentioned someone ripping the soul from a corpse, maybe it now becomes obvious to you that there are similarities on how Malfurion was able to produce that much wisp for his defensive wall. No more dead bodies laying around. A great death wall turning live bodies trying to force their way through it but magically disintegrates

[huth]

He talks and commune with them but never use them in a battle or fight against an enemy.

That's actually what Necromancy really means. Thrall is a Necromancer. The so-called Necromancers aren't.

[Charge me Doctor]

He is not what you think he is: the Archdruid of nature and life. He controls beyond flourishing plants, commanding nature at his disposal.

He has mastered the other grim aspect of Druidism. It is death,
it is decay. It is dealing with souls and spirit of the dead.

Decay is shamanistic thing, and death is necromancy, opposite of nature. You argument doesn't hold up in the very beginning, assuming that malfurion became a master of necromancy all of the sudden is just crazy talk

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If they do indeed display and exercise free will or independence, there should be a few wisps continuing what they are doing on their own.Circling around a tree, roaming around an area , etc. Have you seen Darkshore town becoming a "ghost town" as the fresh corpse of Night Elves there suddenly disappeared but streams of wisps are rallying at Malfurion's way point?

That's implying that night elves aren't extremely territorial and not going to do literally everything to defend their homeland against forces of evil that is able to fuck with spirits. I mean, what the fuck you are supposed to do as a wisp in a dead forest full of blight and apothecaries running around?

[vertigo12]

That's actually what Necromancy really means. Thrall is a Necromancer. The so-called Necromancers aren't.

He does commune with elemental spirits and his orc ancestors but by no means he ask them to materialize and fight for him or even use their souls as sacrifice to either hurt the enemies or protect himself.

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Decay is shamanistic thing, and death is necromancy, opposite of nature. You argument doesn't hold up in the very beginning, assuming that malfurion became a master of necromancy all of the sudden is just crazy talk

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That's implying that night elves aren't extremely territorial and not going to do literally everything to defend their homeland against forces of evil that is able to fuck with spirits. I mean, what the fuck you are supposed to do as a wisp in a dead forest full of blight and apothecaries running around?

Fungal growth and wild mushrooms are part of druids' arsenal. How different could it be from the by product of rot within the lairs of Uldir bosses?

[Alpharius]

Yeah...you got actual in-game proof for that ? Because so far its just "Its totally not necromancy because blandliance would never do something so bad" gibberish.

Well given that the alliance is written as lightloving cocksuckers then, yes it's actually a valid reason. Blizzard won't suddenly make them turn to necromancy.

But if you notice the vengeful spirits appear after a light blast comes down on the soldiers as they die and raises them as spirits. Which is how resurrection is shown in game. Also the units that revive are always accompanied by stromgarde priests.

[Charge me Doctor]

Fungal growth and wild mushrooms are part of druids' arsenal. How different could it be from the by product of rot within the lairs of Uldir bosses?

as different as eating a toadstool instead of boletus. What's happening in Uldir is byproduct of titans experimenting on old gods, system malfunctions. One is old god corruption, other is... you know, nature force that makes things grow and heal

[vertigo12]

Decay is shamanistic thing, and death is necromancy, opposite of nature. You argument doesn't hold up in the very beginning, assuming that malfurion became a master of necromancy all of the sudden is just crazy talk

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That's implying that night elves aren't extremely territorial and not going to do literally everything to defend their homeland against forces of evil that is able to fuck with spirits. I mean, what the fuck you are supposed to do as a wisp in a dead forest full of blight and apothecaries running around?

Four things could happen:
- Malfurion commands dead NE into Wisp
- Sylvanas turns them undead and be part of Forsaken
- A holy aligned NPC use the light and ressurct them back to the living.
- Corpses stay dead and lying on the floor, remaining still until decay kicks in.

The dead and those who died are still considered as resource more so if you are fully tapping into the power of death.

[Arrashi]

Well given that the alliance is written as lightloving cocksuckers then, yes it's actually a valid reason. Blizzard won't suddenly make them turn to necromancy.

But if you notice the vengeful spirits appear after a light blast comes down on the soldiers as they die and raises them as spirits. Which is how resurrection is shown in game. Also the units that revive are always accompanied by stromgarde priests.

Its also a core machanic of Gothic the harvester encounter. Hmm

[Charge me Doctor]

Four things could happen:
- Malfurion commands dead NE into Wisp
- Sylvanas turns them undead and be part of Forsaken
- A holy aligned NPC use the light and ressurct them back to the living.
- Corpses stay dead and lying on the floor, remaining still until decay kicks in.

The dead and those who died are still considered as resource more so if you are fully tapping into the power of death.

Malfurion can't command dead night elves into wisps, it doesn't work this way. When someone died there is a brief period when his spirit can be returned to body (granted that body can sustain this soul, so it has to be healed) or even an object (regular spirits roaming around ruins, necromancers and phylacteries, warlocks and soulstones). Apparently most night elves are attuned to the nature and are kinda "tethered" to it if form of a wisp.

I don't believe that Sylvanas can turn night elves into forsaken, Val'kyr apparently can only take souls of vrykul (aka - humans) from shadowlands, they can't take souls of night elves from hands of the elune.

Yes, granted that their spirits haven't passed to shadowlands yet.

Corpse is irrelevant since i was talking about wisps - they don't need corpses.

The thing is, if you died as a night elf with a strong nature affinity - you become a wisp instead of regular spirit (or your spirit is transformed instead of going into shadowlands by forces you are attuned with, there is no lore about it afaik, but it may very well be doings of elune, because druid Tauren or shamans in general do not become wisps). So you are a being of nature now, and you are going to do nature things - growing trees and helping out your fellow soon-to-be-wisps and those who communicate with you. If your homeland is in danger of destruction and the biggest nature-related-badass in whole azeroth alerts you about it - you go and fucking blow up some fools, just like a lioness will defend her cubs.

All malfurion does is pointing finger at someone who touched nature in a bad way and helps wisps to make a coordinated strike for massive destruction.


If you don't like my theory on what wisps are, - "Aessina did it", but it's boring answer

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Its also a core machanic of Gothic the harvester encounter. Hmm

There is always a chance that human priests simply suck at their job in the middle of combat and can't heal bodies fast enough for spirits to stay in them for proper resurrection