Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[Roxinius]

Oh great, another liberal progressive communist using our constitution as a living document open to socialist interpretations that directly contradict our sanctified founding fathers.

Put the meth pipe down

[Adolecent]

I Thank God I live in a country which has a Constitutional right for it's citizens to arm themselves for self defense. It is rare indeed. Only Guatemala has such a right in their Constitution.

The way your democracy is organised and protected against imploding it's probably best for citizens to arm themselfs even if you shoot eachother all over the place.

[Ghostpanther]

The way your democracy is organised and protected against imploding it's probably best for citizens to arm themselfs even if you shoot eachother all over the place.

We do not shoot each other all over the place. You are being misled by the over hyped media. You have a greater chance of being killed in a automobile accident here than being shot by a criminal. One stat you seldom hear the media say is, most of the gun shot death's are from suicides. I have no fear of a tyrannical government to use my weapons on. I posses and carry a firearm for one main reason. Personal, family and home defense.

[Daelak]

We do not shoot each other all over the place. You are being misled by the over hyped media. You have a greater chance of being killed in a automobile accident here than being shot by a criminal. One stat you seldom hear the media say is, most of the gun shot death's are from suicides. I have no fear of a tyrannical government to use my weapons on. I posses and carry a firearm for one main reason. Personal, family and home defense.

And curiously enough, the constitution of the US is completely void of any word, sentence, letter, that repeats the words in your last sentence.

[Masark]

You have a greater chance of being killed in a automobile accident here than being shot by a criminal.

All you are saying here is that you are both murderous and incapable of driving in a sensible manner.

[Zoranon]

Of course; they wanted their right to assemble a well regulated militia to supercede any attempts by the territory/state/federal government in the event they decided to inhibit their ability to do so. They just finished a bloody war against a standing army, and so those are the safeguards in place should it have happened again. This was all for naught anyways, since the militia acts were passed in 1903 onwards, the 2nd amendment has lost relevance to federal command control.

Service in the militia was up to state discretion; but the ability for citizens to assemble and create a well-regulated militia, was never to be infringed; the 2nd amendment is very clear on that.

You seriously think that the constitution was originally binding on state/teritorial governments? Seriously? So not only is the 2nd a group right, but it is also the only right that has been incorporated from the beginning??!

Well I suppose that explains the nonsense you write about 2nd amendment. You are completely ignorant or arguing in bad faith. I cant really decide which of these is correct.

[Ghostpanther]

All you are saying here is that you are both murderous and incapable of driving in a sensible manner.

I know the actual meaningful stats makes the gun right's haters upset. With over 300 million people and close to that amount of guns and cars, your chances of getting killed in a automobile is higher than from being shot by a criminal and even then, the odds are very low. It is a smidgen cause of death with ether, compared to other causes of death.

[PhaelixWW]

Well I suppose that explains the nonsense you write about 2nd amendment. You are completely ignorant or arguing in bad faith. I cant really decide which of these is correct.

Are those two things mutually exclusive?

[Zoranon]

Are those two things mutually exclusive?

I was being charitable, but not always I suppose.

[Deleted]

The way your democracy is organised and protected against imploding it's probably best for citizens to arm themselfs even if you shoot eachother all over the place.

While you whip out 750 euros for nvidia 2080 gpu or something new, im paying only 550 bucks.

Much better living conditions here than where you live. I moved here from italy 7 years ago and im loving every moment of it. #AmericanPower

[Daelak]

You seriously think that the constitution was originally binding on state/teritorial governments? Seriously? So not only is the 2nd a group right, but it is also the only right that has been incorporated from the beginning??!

Well I suppose that explains the nonsense you write about 2nd amendment. You are completely ignorant or arguing in bad faith. I cant really decide which of these is correct.

Sounds like you are having a language comprehension problem here. The Bill of Rights are restrictions on the government; protecting the people from actions of the government. The 2nd, just like the 1st (right to peaceably assemble to redress grievances), protects the people's right to assemble and create a well regulated militia, superseding any law or restriction government could enact on militias. This of course has been thrown out the window with the Militia Act of 1903 and the following militia acts; an act which federalized militia regulation and command control to the federal government's standing military.

[Svifnymr]

While you whip out 750 euros for nvidia 2080 gpu or something new, im paying only 550 bucks.

Much better living conditions here than where you live. I moved here from italy 7 years ago and im loving every moment of it. #AmericanPower

I get a good amount of tourists where I work, it's sort of amusing seeing folks buying stuff the nanny-states in Europe won't let them have. Talking Advil and basic stuff.

Plenty of problems to USA, certainly, but it's like the Freedom of Speech stuff, easier to see in contrast.

[misterpuk]

Sounds like you are having a language comprehension problem here. The Bill of Rights are restrictions on the government; protecting the people from actions of the government. The 2nd, just like the 1st (right to peaceably assemble to redress grievances), protects the people's right to assemble and create a well regulated militia, superseding any law or restriction government could enact on militias. This of course has been thrown out the window with the Militia Act of 1903 and the following militia acts; an act which federalized militia regulation and command control to the federal government's standing military.

Adequet Language comprehension, being necessary to the validity of a conversaion, the right of the people to dismiss and ignore your ramblings, shall not be denied.

In this statement, am I saying Adequet Language comprehension has rights? Noooope.

[Zoranon]

Sounds like you are having a language comprehension problem here. The Bill of Rights are restrictions on the government; protecting the people from actions of the government. The 2nd, just like the 1st (right to peaceably assemble to redress grievances), protects the people's right to assemble and create a well regulated militia, superseding any law or restriction government could enact on militias. This of course has been thrown out the window with the Militia Act of 1903 and the following militia acts; an act which federalized militia regulation and command control to the federal government's standing military.

So you are not even aware of incorporation, pretty basic constitutional stuff? Honestly that makes any further debate with you largely pointless since it shows that you know almost nothing about the constitution.

But since I am feeling nice I will tell you this: until the passage of the reconstruction ammendements, the federal constitution was considered binding only on the federal government and thus the 2nd could in no way be binding on the states...

[Ghostpanther]

So you are not even aware of incorporation, pretty basic constitutional stuff? Honestly that makes any further debate with you largely pointless since it shows that you know almost nothing about the constitution.

But since I am feeling nice I will tell you this: until the passage of the reconstruction ammendements, the federal constitution was considered binding only on the federal government and thus the 2nd could in no way be binding on the states...

I learned that a long time ago with some on this forum.

[JohnBrown1917]

I Thank God I live in a country which has a Constitutional right for it's citizens to arm themselves for self defense. It is rare indeed. Only Guatemala has such a right in their Constitution.

Good thing we don't need it here with our low violent crime rates.

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>Guns are a right
>Unless I disagree with you


lol

[Daelak]

Adequet Language comprehension, being necessary to the validity of a conversaion, the right of the people to dismiss and ignore your ramblings, shall not be denied.

In this statement, am I saying Adequet Language comprehension has rights? Noooope.

This is a non-sequitur, since that's not how the 2nd amendment is structured. All clauses of the amendment are in reference to the assembling of people to bear arms, aka a well regulated militia in the service to protect their communities; a strategy that won them their freedom, and so they ensured no government would have the right to restrict their assemblage.

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So you are not even aware of incorporation, pretty basic constitutional stuff? Honestly that makes any further debate with you largely pointless since it shows that you know almost nothing about the constitution.

But since I am feeling nice I will tell you this: until the passage of the reconstruction ammendements, the federal constitution was considered binding only on the federal government and thus the 2nd could in no way be binding on the states...

Incorporation doctrine has nothing to do with what we are talking about, since the the Bill of Rights were restrictions on the federal government itself. The supremacy clause of the constitution has to do with the subordination of state laws, courts, and constitutions.

[zenkai]

I learned that a long time ago with some on this forum.

lol indeed, and thanks to the ignore function, the forums is a much nicer place. I do keep some of them off ignore just because their ignorance amuses me.

[Citizen T]

Good thing we don't need it here with our low violent crime rates.

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>Guns are a right
>Unless I disagree with you


lol

Where did he say he wanted to take their guns away from them? He only said that he didn't want them on his property. The same thing I - and every other CCW carrier - have to honor when private property owners post no firearms signs.

He isn't anti Second Amendment but pro private property rights.

[Zoranon]

Incorporation doctrine has nothing to do with what we are talking about, since the the Bill of Rights were restrictions on the federal government itself. The supremacy clause of the constitution has to do with the subordination of state laws, courts, and constitutions.

Make up your mind, two posts up you claimed that the 2nd was originaly meant to prevent federal state and teritorial governments with militia, now its only federal government? Just admit you bs and move on. The idea that 2nd was meant to protect a right to collectively form militias is nonsence.