Fel Grom vs Lich King

[Ielenia]

Anyway, time to be serious. Grom is most probably the greatest Warrior in Horde history when it comes to single combat and Arthas is pretty good duelist aswell. Lich King surely has the spell power advantage but Grom is full of surprises. I mean, if he was able to shatter Mannoroth's huge weapon + body armor + carve his skin with bloody SINGLE BLOW, he would crush Lich King like a coke case. If he won't have that strike oppurtunity, then Lich King wins ofc.

Ok, so let's break down this a bit: first, yes, he did shatter Mannoroth's weapon, but here's the thing: it wasn't his pure strength either. The strength of the impact was also increased by Grom's momentum as he fell down from his jump. Two, it's a downward swing, and considering the armor plate on Mannoroth's chest is loose and just being by chains from his shoulders, it's also valid to say that Grom's blow hit over the plate. We don't actually see the belly plate being shattered, just the weapon.

On top of that, I imagine the Lich King is a much smaller target than Mannoroth, so it's harder to hit than a mountain of a demon. The Lich King can also rip a piece of Grom's spirit to fight against him.

DK Arthas vs Fel Grom would be an interesting match to watch. Lich King Arthas vs Fel Grom would just be the LK moping the floor with Grom.

[kaelix1]

he was getting his ass handed to him by an old, ailing elf with a weaker sword.

he got his ass kicked by uther.

every single time he's gone into melee combat, it has been frostmourne coming to his defense that saved his life.

he was a shitty warrior, his power was in the light/death.

Bud plx, again, stop saying stupid shit, if you don't know his lore just say you think Grom would win because you like him, i will leave this here for you

"While at
the court of Lordaeron, Muradin befriended the youthful Arthas and
taught him how to master fighting blades of every type."

Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos - Instruction Manual. Page 92.


"Arthas, had grown into a strong, confident
young man. The young Prince was trained as a warrior by Muradin
Bronzebeard – brother to King Magni of Ironforge – and despite
his youth, was considered to be one of the finest swordsmen in
Lordaeron. At the tender age of nineteen"

- Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, Instruction Manual. Page 6.

[derpkitteh]

What kind of elf are you talking about? Anasterian? Arthas defeated him
And he defeated Uther because of his dexterity, not his sword.
Read Chronicles 3, it came out later than The Rise of the Lich King

yes, he defeated anasterian, because frostmourne broke felo'melorn.

before felo'melorn broke, anasterian had him outclassed.

"Uther stood against Arthas and his minions in an epic battle and initially had the upper hand, knocking Arthas down and sending Frostmourne flying from his hands. The Light's aura around Uther grew blindingly bright as he prepared the killing blow, when suddenly the sword seemed to find its own way back into Arthas' hands and he was granted more power by the Lich King. The battle had begun to turn in Arthas' favor and eventually Uther, covered in blood from his wounds, fell to his knees and told Arthas he hoped there was a special place in hell waiting for him. Arthas replied that he intended to live forever before delivering the killing blow."

saved by ner'zhul, not his own power.

[kaelix1]

yes, he defeated anasterian, because frostmourne broke felo'melorn.

before felo'melorn broke, anasterian had him outclassed.

"Uther stood against Arthas and his minions in an epic battle and initially had the upper hand, knocking Arthas down and sending Frostmourne flying from his hands. The Light's aura around Uther grew blindingly bright as he prepared the killing blow, when suddenly the sword seemed to find its own way back into Arthas' hands and he was granted more power by the Lich King. The battle had begun to turn in Arthas' favor and eventually Uther, covered in blood from his wounds, fell to his knees and told Arthas he hoped there was a special place in hell waiting for him. Arthas replied that he intended to live forever before delivering the killing blow."

saved by ner'zhul, not his own power.

Arent you a little hypocrite here bud?

[derpkitteh]

Arent you a little hypocrite here bud?

paladins are channels for the light.

the stronger your faith, the stronger your light power.

ultimately, they have to use melee combat to fight, he's not just shooting bolts of light like a priest.

so his own melee skill + his unwavering faith vs. ner'zhul pumping power directly into arthas in a crucial moment to save him from dying, and frostmourne flying back to his hand.

what happened in the illidan fight? even with all of ner'zhul's power flowing through him, it still took frostmourne to move on its own to land a blow.

[kaelix1]

paladins are channels for the light.

the stronger your faith, the stronger your light power.

ultimately, they have to use melee combat to fight, he's not just shooting bolts of light like a priest.

so his own melee skill + his unwavering faith vs. ner'zhul pumping power directly into arthas in a crucial moment to save him from dying, and frostmourne flying back to his hand.

what happened in the illidan fight? even with all of ner'zhul's power flowing through him, it still took frostmourne to move on its own to land a blow.

You are a fucking hypocrite bud, so its oky for other to be empower by light or demonic but when Arthas is empower by X its just X?

Anyway, the lore contradict your opinion about Arthas been a shitty warrior, no need to continue this

"While at
the court of Lordaeron, Muradin befriended the youthful Arthas and
taught him how to master fighting blades of every type."

Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos - Instruction Manual. Page 92.


"Arthas, had grown into a strong, confident
young man. The young Prince was trained as a warrior by Muradin
Bronzebeard – brother to King Magni of Ironforge – and despite
his youth, was considered to be one of the finest swordsmen in
Lordaeron. At the tender age of nineteen"

- Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, Instruction Manual. Page 6.

[ArenaDk]

I dont think we can take all of Warcraft III serious anymore

[kaelix1]

I dont think we can take all of Warcraft III serious anymore

What exactly changed in chronicle regard Arthas? if not w3 and the book are the only ones that we can take cannon wise as information

[Rathbourne]

Can't believe Kosak would post something that stupid. What a shame, oh well.

Its one of the best things he's ever done.Enough of this LK hero worshiping .

[Deleted]

i dont think there is any lore on demons or fel corrupted beings being raised into undeath. and since the demons made the lich king, it would be kinda cool if fel gave you immunity or resistance to undeath magics. in which case grom could stand a chance.

[darkoms]

i dont think there is any lore on demons or fel corrupted beings being raised into undeath. and since the demons made the lich king, it would be kinda cool if fel gave you immunity or resistance to undeath magics. in which case grom could stand a chance.

Fel gives no protection from the magic of Life and yet Grom defeated Cenarius

[Sigxy]

Now Lei Shen on the other hand... *triggers already settled flame war*

Depends if you 'cripple' the Lich King or not. Remember, one of his powers is to control the undead - so you would need to take that away. Then again Blizzard also said that on a 1vs1, Lei Shen would win - but if it was him and his Mogu army vs The Scourge, the Lich king would win.

https://twitter.com/davekosak/status/759552173579591680

And I can't find the quote right now but I'm sure it was mentioned that the more undead the Lich King controls, the more powerful he himself, gets.

[MalfLFT]

Cenarius could take Arthas, however grom wouldn't have a chance, even with fel blood. It wasn't grom vs cenarius, it was Grom + an army vs Cenarius.

[Jawless Jones]

Can't believe Kosak would post something that stupid. What a shame, oh well.

yeah, it was a shitty cop-out compromise.

If Death Knights like Koltira can conjure anti-magic barriers/shells that can withstand a constant barrage of Holy spells (the most potent counter to DK's) WHILE HEAVILY INJURED, then it stands to reason the Lich King could do the same on a far greater magnitude. Ergo Lich King > Lei Shen

Not even mentioning that the Lich King is a snowballing threat, since Chronicles Vol 3. confirmed that he grows more powerful with each soul the Scourge consumes (with no specified limit I might add).

[Deleted]

Fel gives no protection from the magic of Life and yet Grom defeated Cenarius

yeah cause it works the other way around there, life is pretty vulnerable to fel.

its also important to remember that these demigods and wildgods arent particularly immune or anything, a few of them got zerged down by rank and file demons in war of the ancients. and even non demons can beat em "fair and square" without special plot devices if they bring sufficient forces.

[Life-Binder]

Cenarius should be > or = LK in 1v1, so because of the Chronicles info, Fel Grom should win tbh


also lol @ Dranosh

Fel-Grom (when he drank again) >> Grom >> Dranosh

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and yes, LK wank in general is terrible

[darkoms]

Cenarius could take Arthas, however grom wouldn't have a chance, even with fel blood. It wasn't grom vs cenarius, it was Grom + an army vs Cenarius.

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yeah cause it works the other way around there, life is pretty vulnerable to fel.

its also important to remember that these demigods and wildgods arent particularly immune or anything, a few of them got zerged down by rank and file demons in war of the ancients. and even non demons can beat em "fair and square" without special plot devices if they bring sufficient forces.

So what? Grommash did not use fel magic against Cenarius, he just beat him with an axe

[Baracuda]

Grom is pretty much a failure of an Orc. Especially AU Grom that literally failed every battle he was in. He failed to us at the Dark Portal and we destroyed it, then his Iron Horde kept failing at every battle to us in WoD, then he failed to stop Gul'dan's mutiny, and we had to rescue his weak ass, and now his beta ass failed to keep Yrel in check and failed in the battle with her. He even failed to keep his son from becoming a light fanatic.

Grom is not a strong leader. He'd lose to Deathknight Arthas let alone The Lich King.

People thought otherwise when we polled it 8 years ago, can find the thread in my signature.

[Saverem]

People thought otherwise when we polled it 8 years ago, can find the thread in my signature.

That was before WoD came out and he was still a savior of the Horde.

[Xilurm]

So this thread is making me think that Illidan with the skull of Gul'dan is basically useless...