More Honduran migrants seek to join U.S.-bound caravan in Guatemala

[Wyrt]

I'm still confused how coming to the border, turning themselves into border patrol, and applying for asylum is "illegal immigration." Like, how else do you want them to do it?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You make a good point, these people are functionally incapable of being economically viable in a 3rd world country where you need absolutely no skills to be part of the economy, but they will surely succeed in a first world country with an excess of people with college level education, even if they don't speak the native language... because they will take part in an unregulated illegal jobs market.

Economic viability isn’t the only problem with 3rd world country’s and not the only problem even the op sites.

We've lived in neighborhoods where our children have seen disaster after disaster," said Daisy Turcios, resting briefly outside a school. "We have seen dead bodies thrown in front of us. So that's my goal, in truth, to reach a country where life can change for my children

[zEmini]

I welcome them as long as they take a number and get in line. Lots of other people ahead of them. Maybe they should settle in Mexico while they wait.

[jimboa24]

It's not trespassing, if it's legal. It's capitalism and the free markets. Let them work, let them earn their keep, and let them prosper.

Why do you national socialists hate freedom and capitalism so much?

You keep saying that you love capitalism. But the farms that illegal aliens work on depend on paying illegal aliens under the table, below the minimum wage, under brutal working conditions to survive. Sounds to me like those farms are unable to survive in current fair market conditions, otherwise they would be able to pay their workers a fair market wage without relying on a shady, black market labor force and relying on the government to look the other way to allow them to keep doing it.

That doesn't sound very capitalist to me. The capitalist way would be to say that if Farmer John can't keep a labor force without resorting to illegal hiring practices, then Farmer John deserves to go out of business and lose his farm. Capitalism is economic survival of the fittest. Lots of farms are unfit to survive.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You keep saying that you love capitalism. But the farms that illegal aliens work on depend on paying illegal aliens under the table, below the minimum wage, under brutal working conditions to survive. Sounds to me like those farms are unable to survive in current fair market conditions, otherwise they would be able to pay their workers a fair market wage without relying on a shady, black market labor force and relying on the government to look the other way to allow them to keep doing it.

That doesn't sound very capitalist to me. The capitalist way would be to say that if Farmer John can't keep a labor force without resorting to illegal hiring practices, then Farmer John deserves to go out of business and lose his farm. Capitalism is economic survival of the fittest. Lots of farms are unfit to survive.

Wouldn’t capitalism in its purest form go back to before there were regulations or even workers right? There would be no black market just the market you hire who you can for as cheap as you can to maximize profit.

[Orlong]

Great, get rid of the hoops they need to jump through, problem solved. Damn, I pushed for more freedom, and saved you billions of dollars. freedom and capitalism are awesome.

When 750 million more poor people come then YOU can be the one with no job or food when our great country becomes 3rd world with scarce resources and nonexistent employment. Sorry but the Freedom the US provides is only for American citizens, not the rest of the world. You cant have billions living on resources that are only enough to support 350 million

[zenkai]

Hyperbole aside, moving into the USA should be a no-brainer for anyone wanting to escape poverty.

I think we should trade 1 hardworking immigrant for 2 of our lazy people.

[jimboa24]

Wouldn’t capitalism in its purest form go back to before there were regulations or even workers right? There would be no black market just the market you hire who you can for as cheap as you can to maximize profit.

If we're talking about a completely pure, unregulated, virtually no-government type system, pure capitalism in its purest form, sure. But we all know that's never going to happen. We have laws and regulations for a reason, and that is to prevent exploitation of workers. Funny how liberals are all about regulating the free market to protect workers, except when it comes to the shady business of "undocumented migrants". Then they really don't like regulation and labor laws and crackdowns on businesses hiring illegal aliens.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

If we're talking about a completely pure, unregulated, virtually no-government type system, pure capitalism in its purest form, sure. But we all know that's never going to happen. We have laws and regulations for a reason, and that is to prevent exploitation of workers. Funny how liberals are all about regulating the free market to protect workers, except when it comes to the shady business of "undocumented migrants". Then they really don't like regulation and labor laws and crackdowns on businesses hiring illegal aliens.

I think that’s the kind of capitalism Machismo is in favor of but as you said it’s never going to happen.

[Vargrik]

Fucking German immigrants invading my country, deport them all/s

OT: Neat stuff. Hopefully they manage to make it and get a better life than the ones they lived in their home countries.

Chances are many of them are qualified and are depriving their own countries of their expertise, not rarely acquired on state-ran (public money) universities and technical schools. Nice formula to keep their countries eternally underdeveloped.

[Orlong]

I already said you guys are welcome, come on by.

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It's not an invasion, it's more labor to fill jobs. Damn, I love capitalism.

Fill them at half the salary as Americans get paid. Plus we dont exactly have that many jobs seeing as though we are at the lowest unemployment levels since the 40s

[jimboa24]

I think that’s the kind of capitalism Machismo is in favor of but as you said it’s never going to happen.

I've seen his other posts. No, it really isn't what he's in favour of. He's just claiming to love capitalism and as little regulation as possible because he knows that it's typically conservatives who are for securing the borders and cracking down on illegal immigration. Claiming to be all about capitalism is his "cute" idea on trying to turn conservative principles on their head and use them against the conservative argument.

Make no mistake though, he is very much a liberal democrat and loves socialism.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I've seen his other posts. No, it really isn't what he's in favour of. He's just claiming to love capitalism and as little regulation as possible because he knows that it's typically conservatives who are for securing the borders and cracking down on illegal immigration. Claiming to be all about capitalism is his "cute" idea on trying to turn conservative principles on their head and use them against the conservative argument.

Make no mistake though, he is very much a liberal democrat and loves socialism.

Oh, I Guess I haven’t read enough of his post to know if he stands for the things he’s said in this thread or not.

[Orlong]

They are not a threat to my job and livelihood and they are going to take jobs that most Americans refuse to work, that we absolutely need to be filled. It will be a boon for our economy. Come on over!

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...turn-to-Mexico
https://money.cnn.com/video/news/eco...ney/index.html

Would you honestly take these jobs? Anyone in these forums says yes, I am going to call bullshit.

If they paid what the labor is worth, Americans would line up for those jobs

[Vargrik]

What's wrong with capitalism and limited government?

It's a good thing I'm a limited-government conservative.

The fact that a country opens their own borders to a legion of foreigners, whereas their own ancestors (not talking about slave masters here, which are the same thing as big capitalists in essence, with the difference that now slaves come voluntarily) would have died trying to stop the move is a very good reason. Hyper-economic-liberalism is a form of cuckism.

[zEmini]

You realize this administration is turning away a record number of asylum seekers right? So what's the point of going through those channels if they have no intention of vetting in an honest way?

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/07...eparated-fami/

So just break the law? Come illegally and have their children confiscated? Because that is what is at risk if they do so. Safe bet would to apply for asylum in Mexico and try to get citizenship in the mean time.

Nobody is entitled to being a US citizen if they think they can just break the rules.

[Dextroden]

They are refugees because YOU ruined their country.
Now suck it up and pay more taxes.


Yes.
Worker rights, minimum wages, unions, etc. All those rights are things that socialists fought for.

So why do you support undermining it with illegal labor payed less than minimum wage?

[Natta Lmo]

So, you hate brown people and capitalism? Got it.

I live in a mostly-black town, and my neighbors are a black 7th-Day Adventist family, and an Indian and Pakistani couple. So, you seem to not have a clue... you anti-freedom zealots really love your big government.

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What's wrong with capitalism and limited government?

It's a good thing I'm a limited-government conservative.

lol... why would u want what u call limited government? it seems like ineffective government...

[jimboa24]

So just break the law? Come illegally and have their children confiscated? Because that is what is at risk if they do so. Safe bet would to apply for asylum in Mexico and try to get citizenship in the mean time.

Nobody is entitled to being a US citizen if they think they can just break the rules.

Leftists think they are entitled to everything. Trying to explain to them that the world doesn't owe anyone shit is trying to explain something that is beyond their understanding.

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lol... why would u want what u call limited government? it seems like ineffective government...

He's not for limited government anything, and he sure as shit isn't a conservative. He's trying (and failing) to cherry-pick conservative ideals to argue against the conservative political point of securing the border and cracking down on illegal immigration.

[petej0]

I love the fact that there are poor people born in another country who cant speak or speak very little of our language, with hardly anything to their name, traveling thousands of miles to cross a border (legally and in some cases illegally) for a chance at a better life. Yet we have people in this country who, when told to move to where the jobs are, move away from the poverty and crime. Respond with "I cant afford to"