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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Brubear View Post
    Realistically, Paradise itself isn't likely to ever recover. Some people will try and rebuild, but that community is likely to never come back. The town was a retirement community, with the median age being over 50, and about a quarter of the town was over 65. Even if those people wanted to rebuild, some of them aren't even likely to live long enough for that to happen (since they estimate it could take a year or more to clear away all the debris and toxic materials).

    So they might not even have a choice on the matter.
    I just read there are about 1700-1800 buildings left standing, that is damn close to a total loss. Honestly, I know that people are going to want to rebuild, as that's their home... but I hope they get some sense in their brains. The town is dead... for decades. Move into Chico, move towards Sacramento. Hell, move to another state.

  2. #162
    Another thing that everyone who lived in Paradise is facing is the high amount of toxic material. A lot of the houses predate the 80s, so quite a few of them contain asbestos and other toxic materials in addition to any other chemicals that might have been stored on the property. So even though they're going to let people back into the area they want us to hold off from shifting through the rain-soaked ashes.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/u...MEt5PbDXPEUZS8

    The long, laborious process of returning Paradise and neighboring towns to a safe state will begin next month when crews in masks, Tyvek suits and booties begin combing through every last property in this town that was decimated by wildfire. Their targets are things like burned bottles of bleach, melted cans of paint, and corroded car batteries, which will be tagged and removed.

    Next, they will test the surrounding soil and, if needed, scrape away layers to get to clean earth, free from oil and gasoline. “You’d be surprised how much of that stuff survives a fire,” said Adam W. Palmer, an environmental scientist with the California Department of Toxic Substances Control who is helping lead the cleanup.

    In the charred footprint of each home in Paradise lurks an invisible and dangerous legacy of the Camp Fire: toxic chemicals released by the blaze. There may be radioactive isotopes from burned-up antique crockware, cupboards of incinerated household cleaners, and asbestos from old siding. Heavy metals, chemicals and biological contaminants left behind demand a cleanup of extraordinary scale, before any permanent return to Paradise is safe, according to the department.

    Only once the properties have received official signoff that they have been cleansed can residents begin rebuilding. The task will take time; cleanup is still not finished in the aftermath of the Tubbs Fire, which scorched Sonoma, Napa Valley, and other parts of Northern California over a year ago. The Camp Fire destroyed more than three times as many buildings than did the Tubbs Fire.

    “It’s a godawful mess; there is just such a long list of hazardous materials that are partially burned and scattered about in the debris after a fire,” said Dr. Gina Solomon, a professor at University of California, San Francisco, who studies the effect of chemicals on health.

    On Wednesday, Kory L. Honea, the Butte County Sheriff, announced that next week, residents may be allowed to return to certain sections of the town in phases providing there were no “setbacks,” like inclement weather, which can lead to mudslides. On Thursday, a rainstorm forced the sheriff to order the evacuation of roads outside Paradise because of the threat of mudslides.

    Jackson Webster, a professor who studies wildfires’ impact on water systems, collected samples in the burn area.CreditJim Wilson/The New York Times
    Still, it is not safe for people to sift through the debris for any possessions to salvage until toxic waste is cleared. At the Red Cross shelter at the Butte County Fairgrounds in nearby Gridley, organizers have held off distributing the free tool kits — a shovel, a pair of gloves, a dust mask — they typically give to victims to help dig through the ruins for items that might have been spared, at the local government’s request, said Steve Walsh, a spokesman.

    “There is still too much risk to go looking for your wedding ring,” he said.

    Experts say the risk posed by contamination stands to grow in scope as wildfires happen more frequently in California. As the fires burn up homes, they also release the components of modern daily life into the ground, water and atmosphere.

    “People focus on the immediate effects of a fire, which are tragic and important,” Dr. Solomon said. “But there are all kinds of ripple effects that flow from these events, ranging from the enormous respiratory and cardiac effects from the plumes of smoke, and all the way to the aftermath of the toxic chemicals that are left behind.”

    Contamination has slowed recovery. Huddled in messy shelters at local fairgrounds, or holed up in motels, thousands of residents are anxious to start sifting through what is left of their town, but officials say they cannot fully reopen until the areas are made safer.

    Just under 200 people are still declared missing, and search crews are combing the area looking for remains, slowing the ability of cleaning crews to enter. Hazardous material removal teams from the California Department of Toxic Substances Control, in conjunction with other state and federal agencies, will begin the process of clearing out the most dangerous toxic materials on Dec. 3.

    Even then, it will take time until the area is deemed safe.

    Many of the homes in Paradise were older, with roofs that may have been shingled in asbestos, filled with treated wood that can release arsenic and chromium when burned. An incinerated television can expose heavy metals such as cadmium and lead. Even seemingly innocuous items, such as collectible antique Fiestaware crockery, may contain radioactive uranium. Mercury can leak from old thermometers.

    “We understand the desire to physically go and see if their home or property is gone,” said Lisa Almaguer, the spokeswoman for Butte County Public Heath. “But if the breeze comes through and that ash and debris blow through that window and doors and gets on your clothes — it’s a health and safety issue.”

    Workers installed a wattle along a creek in Paradise to protect it from toxic runoff.CreditJim Wilson/The New York Times
    The agency has issued a hazard warning for residents not to live on or camp out in their destroyed property, even once the town is reopened.

    “When can I go home?” asked Gregory Ghica, at a recent disaster relief meeting at the Silver Dollar Fairground in Chico. His house was spared, but when Paradise might be safe to reinhabit was unknown. “I should be happy, but I have slept in six different beds,” Mr. Ghica said. “When? When?”

    The dangers will take painstaking work to mitigate. “That ash could contain a lot of toxic hazards,” said Linda Smith, the chief of the health and exposure assessment branch of the California Air Resources Board. Risks from exposure to various chemicals found at burn sites range from acute reactions to more serious, long-term problems, with much unknown. “Even a few fibers of asbestos could be a health impact,” Dr. Smith said.

    “We don’t know the magnitude of the contamination that was produced in this urban burning, because it was unprecedented,” said Jackson Webster, a professor who studies wildfires’ impact on water systems at California State University in Chico, a town near Paradise.

    On a recent evening, Professor Webster stood on the blackened banks of Butte Creek, scooping up sample jugs of water. He is part of a project with a consortium of universities studying the contaminants that wildfires release into the watershed. Of particular concern, he said, was the site of this fire: Paradise sits in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada, where cities as far away as Los Angeles get their water.

    “That landscape is the landscape that provides high-quality drinking water for the rest of the state,” Professor Webster said.

    Crews are currently installing wattles — bundles of straw — along water bodies in an attempt to block the seepage of contaminants. But with recent rains, many chemicals are still flowing and the cleanup work has become even more challenging.

    “The firefighters are doing heroes’ work,” Dr. Solomon said, “but these hazardous materials workers are doing heroes’ work for sure too — it’s just less visible.”

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Brubear View Post
    Another thing that everyone who lived in Paradise is facing is the high amount of toxic material. A lot of the houses predate the 80s, so quite a few of them contain asbestos and other toxic materials in addition to any other chemicals that might have been stored on the property. So even though they're going to let people back into the area they want us to hold off from shifting through the rain-soaked ashes.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/u...MEt5PbDXPEUZS8
    Ironically, this will help the building industry over the next several years.

    Did you lose your house, or are you nearby?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brubear View Post
    Another thing that everyone who lived in Paradise is facing is the high amount of toxic material. A lot of the houses predate the 80s, so quite a few of them contain asbestos and other toxic materials in addition to any other chemicals that might have been stored on the property. So even though they're going to let people back into the area they want us to hold off from shifting through the rain-soaked ashes.
    My parents experienced a similar issue after the fire in their hometown, they had hazmat teams come through and literally scrub the dirt, as well as hauling away the "remains" as toxic waste.
    Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.

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  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    I just read there are about 1700-1800 buildings left standing, that is damn close to a total loss. Honestly, I know that people are going to want to rebuild, as that's their home... but I hope they get some sense in their brains. The town is dead... for decades. Move into Chico, move towards Sacramento. Hell, move to another state.
    This map shows just how bad the damage is as far as structure loss. When people say the city is gone they really aren't exaggerating things.

    https://buttecountygis.maps.arcgis.c...ed910c640a30b3

    The drone image tab drives it home even more. If you pick an area you can likely count on one hand the amount of structures that are still alright within the city.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Brubear View Post
    This map shows just how bad the damage is as far as structure loss. When people say the city is gone they really aren't exaggerating things.

    https://buttecountygis.maps.arcgis.c...ed910c640a30b3

    The drone image tab drives it home even more. If you pick an area you can likely count on one hand the amount of structures that are still alright within the city.
    Yeah, I've got a few friends in town, and they are talking about rebuilding. I'm doing what I can to get them to relocate elsewhere.

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Ironically, this will help the building industry over the next several years.

    Did you lose your house, or are you nearby?
    I live in Chico, my grandma had a house in Paradise they bought in the '70s that our family spent a lot of time at (including living at for a few years), one of my brothers and his family had a house in Paradise, two of my brothers in-laws had houses there, as well as most of my extended family on my moms side as well as a large amount of people I knew really well.

    The first week was rough just seeing all of the GoFundMes being shared for people I knew. I lost count after the first few days because there were just so many, around 5-10 per day, for people I knew.

    Between the flooding and the 20,000+ extra people in the city going anywhere is a nightmare right now.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Brubear View Post
    I live in Chico, my grandma had a house in Paradise they bought in the '70s that our family spent a lot of time at (including living at for a few years), one of my brothers and his family had a house in Paradise, two of my brothers in-laws had houses there, as well as most of my extended family on my moms side as well as a large amount of people I knew really well.

    The first week was rough just seeing all of the GoFundMes being shared for people I knew. I lost count after the first few days because there were just so many, around 5-10 per day, for people I knew.

    Between the flooding and the 20,000+ extra people in the city going anywhere is a nightmare right now.
    Yeah, it's kind of crazy. I knew some people who lost homes in Redding, but this is on a whole new level. It's not just a couple people... but everyone lost out.

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