Why does BfA feel like we're playing its last months and not its first?

[threads]

its just a really boring storyline. doesn't feel like anything immersive is happening so you just feel like youre logging in to do chores.

[arkanon]

The main problem isn't that there's "nothing to do" nor is it "shit systems".
The main problems are:
1) Class Design
2) Flying

Stopped reading here. No one i have spoken to about their disinterest in BfA has mentioned flying at all. Not a single one. The flying argument seems to come from a group of players who are not enjoying BfA, but refuse to cancel their sub, and instead of looking for ways to fix bfa, are looking for ways they can hate it just a little bit less.

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Patch 8.1 its one of the most underwhelming patches of all times. All my friends and i stopped playing and its the first time that i dont renew my sub. My wife still plays but its only because its the only game that she plays.

Its like Blizzard wants to kill their own game.

[Tinfoil Hat on]
its because they want to make classic look even more interesting to the masses, so everyone renews their sub to play that instead, and they will turn retail into a lootbox, microtransaction, rng slot machine even more than it is now. then release bc classic, and wrath classic.
[Tinfoil Hat off]

[Deleted]

It feels this way because the budget for the BfA was a fraction of Legion's. On top of that, the next expansion's budget will be cut even more since the subs are going to be in sub-1m territory. Of course I'd love to be wrong and see the next xpac being Legion-like powerhouse. But I wouldn't bet on it at this point. Too much shit went down at Blizzard and I fear we've crossed the event horizon.

[Beefkow]

The answer is pretty straightforward and simple.

We lost alot of stuff transitioning from legion to BFA, it's absolutely demoralizing.

Example:

We lost the following:

-Tier bonuses
-Abilities we had since classic, baked into talents
-Potential talent choices, but taken up by class abilties
-Legiondaries
-GCD changes
-Artifact Weapon Traits

We gained:

-Azerite armor

I don't need to explain why BFA feels so empty, it's pretty damn obvious.

Don't even bring up the fact that we haven't gotten a new talent row since.... 5 years ago? Yep.

[Nebron]

how is the conflict forced? both factions want azerite and are actively fighting over it. its been worked into the story since argus died. how in any way is it forced?

Well, I don't know. Maybe, because Azerite is some random, super-powerful resource that everyone tries to possess, but there is no real explanation why it is actually important, that factions have to fight for it. And it came out of nowhere, without any background story - just a random plot device that was created to make some sense to start a faction conflict - a reason to fight for. It is fundamentally meaningless and the war feels more cartoon than real.

If you really believe it's a genius storytelling I'm glad to be there for you, and tell you how they created it. Someday a dev sat down and came with an oustanding idea of retconing a lot of WoW well-established story, creating World-souls things, bringing back Titans and Illidan to give him a proper unique redemption story-arc. Then, the same dev decided, it would be cool if in the last act of hatred before he's imprisioned, the most evil creature in the cosmos known as Sargeras plunged his weird looking blade that appeared in his hand like a Sword of Gryffindor into the very heart of our planet, which appeared to be a world-soul. Not to mention the breaking laws of physics (no; you can't defend it with a fantasy argument - it is still a world that has the very Earth-alike physics, though magic exists on Azeroth). And from that wound, a magical material came out, that appears to be a blood of our planet and we need to collect it into our neckleces so we can use it to heal other wounds. And then, the dev told it to other devs, and they mutually decided it's a genius idea, and players would love to meet Illidan once again, and it would be a great way to introduce a new hero-class, aswell as Titans and Argus itself. And a plot twist - the dev wrote it on the phone while he was sh***ing. It took him 5 minutes. At least, it feels like it took him 5 minutes.

Dactions fight for Azerite without a reason - well, maybe just because it shines? But I can imagine, that it's power is comparable to the nuclear weapons.
And a huge shout-out for the dialogs creators - those are really intense and original, especially the ones of Sylvanas during the Battle for the Undercity. I remember when someone said during beta those dialogs aren't the real ones, and because Blizz knew it would leak, they put some shitty talks in the game, becuase, you know, why not to? To my surprise, those were legit

My favourite parts are the plot twists and behind-the-scenes storytelling ones. As bad as Fantastic Beasts 2.

Like really man? This is the worst game's story writting I have ever experienced in my life. The entire idea of war lacks realism and reasons. I'll skip the fantasy part, because it's not even worth a single word more. But well... Night Warrior Tyrande...
Doesn't it sound dull for you? If not, then, well - I know the taste is subjective thing, but your has to be infinitely bad then.

G E N I O U S

[WowIsDead64]

I have read several comments and opinions now on different platforms (YouTube, Reddit, here) that for many players BfA already feels like we're in the transitioning phase from an old expansion to the new one - with the only difference that BfA is in its first 4 months and not in its last.

I never, never had this feeling before. Not even in WoD. But right now, even after 8.1 (snooze fest), BfA just feels like it's going to be wrapped up soon and we'll get exciting new stuff - but we don't.

So what's the reason for this?

Bad story?
Boring gameplay?
Horrible class design?
Lame expansion features?
Terrible RNG?
Unrewarding reward structure?

What is it?

Whole BFA is about resurrecting long dead MOP's dead end story, no matter if all bridges back to it have already been burnt. It's about going 3 xpacks back in time and pretending, that whole Garrosh story isn't exists. It's just about making PVP-biased xpack just for the sake of making PVP-biased xpack. It's about making all bad mistakes from several bad xpacks again. "Slowing down the game" and overnerfing class mechanics from Cata. Terrible xpack theme and story from MOP. Lack of good content from WOD. RNG virtual casino, grind and time-gating from Legion.

And in this case, as you understand, 8.2 will be completely new game, that will feel like next xpack in comparison with 8.0-8.1.

[zharkos]

it doesnt help that most of the dungeons in bfa feel like they put 99% more effort into designing trash than boss fights. almost every dungeon boss this expansion is just completely bland and uninteresting and m+ does nothing to remedy this. a 30% increase to boss hp doesnt make it better, it just makes it last longer and make me realize how empty most of these fights really are

[Deleted]

I understand why you feel that way cause what 8.1 added is essentially the systems you had for a long time on Legion. But, they came to give us reasons to play and I am happy with that.

But, I don't agree. 8.2 is bringing a lot of exciting stuff, and we haven't even discovered 8.3.
I suggest you people strap on and enjoy rather than waste time irrationally hating the game. If you don't like, take a break.

[Seylene]

Its just the odd shift in how the story went. We were dragged into this horrible war of thorns story and lorderon and promised the Alliance vs Horde no holds barred one will survive, Jaina finally realizes her father was right! The freaking Zandalari make themselves felt! Blood! Death! Rawr!!!! .... And then once it launches we are saving farmers from giants bees and running around doing dailies with archeologists and mission tables... Its rather disjointed.

[The Anax]

I am waiting for 8.2. I think BfA will contain everything I like by that point.

[Niwes]

i am so sick of that ppl like OP. seriously.

„many players“ ... like as he have THE SLIGHTEST data to proof that. all he have is a bunch of complainers on mmoc that form something between 1 and 5% of the player base, since (when we can take the data from blizz for real, 1 year or so ago) less than 10% are even ever posted om forums (official).

i dont say i have data to proof the opposite. maybe everyone and his mother feels like that BS that OP babbels here. but at least i am aware of that fact (that i have zero data) and dont start threads and act like „i know whats going on“. ... this selfmade reality. this sentiment. cheesus...

as pppbroom said: not even close...

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I understand why you feel that way cause what 8.1 added is essentially the systems you had for a long time on Legion. But, they came to give us reasons to play and I am happy with that.

But, I don't agree. 8.2 is bringing a lot of exciting stuff, and we haven't even discovered 8.3.
I suggest you people strap on and enjoy rather than waste time irrationally hating the game. If you don't like, take a break.

„waste time IRRATIONALLY hating the game“

thats the key point. most idiots here (sorry, but most of them ARE idiots to me) have wether real arguments nor can they show whats that big difference to Legion (they irrationally praise), nor they just stop playing. its more like that it seems „super cool“ to also jump on the BfA shitstorm train, and ranting instead playing or unsubbing. and that IS irrationally.

to be honest: i dont like the company blizz became, but if they take them not seriously for a second, i can totally understand that.

[zharkos]

i am so sick of that ppl like OP. seriously.

„many players“ ... like as he have THE SLIGHTEST data to proof that. all he have is a bunch of complainers on mmoc that form something between 1 and 5% of the player base, since (when we can take the data from blizz for real, 1 year or so ago) less than 10% are even ever posted om forums (official).

i dont say i have data to proof the opposite. maybe everyone and his mother feels like that BS that OP babbels here. but at least i am aware of that fact (that i have zero data) and dont start threads and act like „i know whats going on“. ... this selfmade reality. this sentiment. cheesus...

as pppbroom said: not even close...

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„waste time IRRATIONALLY hating the game“

thats the key point. most idiots here (sorry, but most of them ARE idiots to me) have wether real arguments nor can they show whats that big difference to Legion (they irrationally praise), nor they just stop playing. its more like that it seems „super cool“ to also jump on the BfA shitstorm train, and ranting instead playing or unsubbing. and that IS irrationally.

to be honest: i dont like the company blizz became, but if they take them not seriously for a second, i can totally understand that.

i really wish i could respond to this post in a meaningful way but half of it is gibberish

[Brewhan]

You feel like this because BFA feels very similar to legion just with some cosmetic changes. A lot of the systems from Legion that were brand new are still main parts of the game in BFA.

In legion I actually talked to my friend about this one day and it was right before nighthold came out I think after doing that quest line of insurrection . I told my friend "hey man is it not weird legion has been out like 3-4 months and still feels new to me like it came out 2 weeks ago?". I asked him if he felt the same and he said yeah it still felt new to him. So in BFA you ask yourself that and it doesn't feel new because its basically what you felt as "new" in legion but it can't be replicated again with just new paint.

At least for me this is how I feel about it.

[Deleted]

Class Design.
and 8-9 boss 5-6 month raid tiers. Very boring. They really stretch the players with BfA. Not enough QUALITY content and the content that is there is drawn out like a really bad heartache. And one raid per tier is just weak. And classes have NEVER been worse in WoW, sad really.

[Deleted]

Class Design.
and 8-9 boss 5-6 month raid tiers. Very boring. They really stretch the players with BfA. Not enough QUALITY content and the content that is there is drawn out like a really bad heartache. And one raid per tier is just weak. And classes have NEVER been worse in WoW, sad really.

I guess you can always go play classic cause that class design is clearly better. Enjoy!

[PaladinBash]

Raid ain't out yet my dude. It's that simple. This feels more like it should have been from the start with the exception of the rewards bumping up in ilvl to gear up alts and fresh toons. That's going to be nice. I've been leveling some alts and it's actually bearable with the XP changes. Gotta find shit to do while waiting for the raid. Once that's out, you'll be laughing.

[Not Againnn]

Well, I don't know. Maybe, because Azerite is some random, super-powerful resource that everyone tries to possess, but there is no real explanation why it is actually important, that factions have to fight for it. And it came out of nowhere, without any background story - just a random plot device that was created to make some sense to start a faction conflict - a reason to fight for. It is fundamentally meaningless and the war feels more cartoon than real.

If you really believe it's a genius storytelling I'm glad to be there for you, and tell you how they created it. Someday a dev sat down and came with an oustanding idea of retconing a lot of WoW well-established story, creating World-souls things, bringing back Titans and Illidan to give him a proper unique redemption story-arc. Then, the same dev decided, it would be cool if in the last act of hatred before he's imprisioned, the most evil creature in the cosmos known as Sargeras plunged his weird looking blade that appeared in his hand like a Sword of Gryffindor into the very heart of our planet, which appeared to be a world-soul. Not to mention the breaking laws of physics (no; you can't defend it with a fantasy argument - it is still a world that has the very Earth-alike physics, though magic exists on Azeroth). And from that wound, a magical material came out, that appears to be a blood of our planet and we need to collect it into our neckleces so we can use it to heal other wounds. And then, the dev told it to other devs, and they mutually decided it's a genius idea, and players would love to meet Illidan once again, and it would be a great way to introduce a new hero-class, aswell as Titans and Argus itself. And a plot twist - the dev wrote it on the phone while he was sh***ing. It took him 5 minutes. At least, it feels like it took him 5 minutes.

Dactions fight for Azerite without a reason - well, maybe just because it shines? But I can imagine, that it's power is comparable to the nuclear weapons.
And a huge shout-out for the dialogs creators - those are really intense and original, especially the ones of Sylvanas during the Battle for the Undercity. I remember when someone said during beta those dialogs aren't the real ones, and because Blizz knew it would leak, they put some shitty talks in the game, becuase, you know, why not to? To my surprise, those were legit

My favourite parts are the plot twists and behind-the-scenes storytelling ones. As bad as Fantastic Beasts 2.

Like really man? This is the worst game's story writting I have ever experienced in my life. The entire idea of war lacks realism and reasons. I'll skip the fantasy part, because it's not even worth a single word more. But well... Night Warrior Tyrande...
Doesn't it sound dull for you? If not, then, well - I know the taste is subjective thing, but your has to be infinitely bad then.

G E N I O U S

if you dont remember, all of the old gods blood and titan blood have been sought after as a material in wow forever. and at no point i said it was a great story, but i think the "forced war" argument is pretty dumb because basically every expansion has some sort of resource we are fighting over. in this case its azerite.

[topitopi]

I'll be honest, totally clocked out of this xpac. It is awful but writing was on the wall from get-go since it looked like Cata 2.0, only more like .5 because Cata at least tried a lot of changes that just failed. This xpac can be summarized as "hmmm let's ignore all player feedback and data....and take features from legion but water them down just a bit. Oh yah, and toss out that you're character is a hero with an awesome weapon nonsense. All characters are now peons, and we'll smack them around a bit on the forums when they complain and just say we aren't"

I would cancel, but lifetime sub from vanilla so I'd be an idiot to cancel. I expect the Azshara patch will bring things up for speed, but for now, for those of you still playing, may you enjoy

Just to light the fire...
3 worst xpacs: (1 - the worst) BfA; (2) WoD; (3) Cata
Great xpacs followed each of (2) and (3), so I should trust them to fix it, assuming they fire these clowns and start listening to players again

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You feel like this because BFA feels very similar to legion just with some cosmetic changes. A lot of the systems from Legion that were brand new are still main parts of the game in BFA.

In legion I actually talked to my friend about this one day and it was right before nighthold came out I think after doing that quest line of insurrection . I told my friend "hey man is it not weird legion has been out like 3-4 months and still feels new to me like it came out 2 weeks ago?". I asked him if he felt the same and he said yeah it still felt new to him. So in BFA you ask yourself that and it doesn't feel new because its basically what you felt as "new" in legion but it can't be replicated again with just new paint.

At least for me this is how I feel about it.

Nah man, you're 100% right. This was a watered down legion. Replace 3-4 artifact weapons per class with 1 stupid artifact necklace. Replace artifact power with azerite, which is worse. Replace legendaries with azerite armour, which is worse. Keep world quests, but dumb down paragon rewards (virtually no mounts) and stick to exact same types of WQs. Remove max level zone, replace with rotating warfronts that basically revolve on WQs. Take order hall, replace with faction table. Take order hall quests, replace with war effort quest chain (the one tied to rep).

The only thing new they actually tried was the Island Expedition feature, which is a revival of the Mists of Pandaria scenarios but I'll give them that one. Otherwise, yah, they basically took everything from legion, and watered it down

[Tart]

If you feel like that, it doesn't mean we all feel like that. Stop generalizing, you do not represent every player.

Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside now you've got that cliched bullshit off your chest??

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I would cancel, but lifetime sub from vanilla so I'd be an idiot to cancel.

Why would that make you an idiot? After saying all that I think it makes you an idiot to stay subbed. You owe blizzard fuck all mate, it's people like you that need to unsubscribe to actually get through to them.

[Weeps]

I spend more time doing non bfa content than I do bfa.

Gcd is badly done.
No tier sets. No unique class design and mog
Rotations are too homogeneous
No flying
No KT/Zandalari on release.
Gold is harder to earn