German Parents Have No Right to Homeschool Their Kids, EU rules

[Wyrt]

I don't really see the problem. Kids should have schooling done by actual teachers and they need the socialization that comes with going to an actual school.

[Zeek Daniels]

Homeschooling is ridiculous. Unless you're a certified teacher what makes you think you're better at teaching your kid the age appropriate curriculum than a pro? And that's putting aside the major lack of social development.

Easy. Teachers suck. You can easily teach your kid to read and write. You dont need a degree to teach. And there are plenty of online sources to pick from to help you. As for the social aspect its called taking your kid and putting them in programs with other kids.

[Slant]

"Cemented human rights" subject to interpretation...and reinterpretation.

Not really. I mean, there's volumes and volumes of literature on every single human right, but they're not as vague as many people seem to think they are. Most discussions in constitutional law about human rights isn't about what is or isn't a human right, every country has lots of experience and defining going on in that area... most current discussions are merely about which rights trump other rights. What is more important, your freedom of movement walking down the street or my freedom of movement wanting to drive my truck over the spot you're walking on? And what does your right of being bodily unharmed have to do with it? Is it maybe more important than either freedom of movements? :P

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They are not "unalienable" because as soon as Nazis take over and change the law, your rights go away.

Bloody hell, didn't take you long to Godwin the shit out of this... you lose.

[Mindstripper]

Its totally fine and OK.
There are couple of reasons as to why:
1. EU school programs are mostly not filled with bullshit and propaganda

I mean, if you don't count the blatant socialist, globalist leaflets liberally scattered throughout all the textbooks, then sure totally.

[Th3Scourge]

How would you feel about the state taking away your right to home-school your child?

We're seriously considering home-schooling. There's a ton of educational stuff online these days. When the kid turns 13, they cad decide to go to public school if they want.

Teaching yourself is a lifelong useful ability.

Although I think homeschooling robs children of developing vital social skills, in no way should any government dictate how you should raise and educate your children

[Slant]

Easy. Teachers suck. You can easily teach your kid to read and write. You dont need a degree to teach. And there are plenty of online sources to pick from to help you. As for the social aspect its called taking your kid and putting them in programs with other kids.

In Europe, you do. Guess it's a theme of this thread that we have higher standards than the US does. Again.

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If you are so enthralled and cannot grasp why laws granted by states are not unalienable, I need to use something simple that any state educated person can get.

I just hear white noise...

[Shadowferal]

Not really. I mean, there's volumes and volumes of literature on every single human right, but they're not as vague as many people seem to think they are.

Try taking a child from the US where even the Supreme Court has flat out said parents have a fundamental right to direct the education of their children.

[Slant]

Try taking a child from the US where even the Supreme Court has flat out said parents have a fundamental right to direct the education of their children.

That would explain the Trump voter base, then...

[cronotose]

It's kind of staggering how many people on here have no idea how effective homeschooling is on average. Statistically speaking, you are actively putting your kids at an academic disadvantage by NOT homeschooling. As for socialization, everyone here seems to be completely unaware that homeschooling does not mean "never leaves the house". Generally speaking, homeschoolers go to some form of classes with other homeschoolers for at least some subjects starting from Junior High.

[Bloodscore]

Homeschooling is ridiculous. Unless you're a certified teacher what makes you think you're better at teaching your kid the age appropriate curriculum than a pro? And that's putting aside the major lack of social development.

This is just one example out of many that can be given. My little brother was homeschooled and he is getting his degree in engineering from Clemson. He was also socialized with other kids his age too. You wouldn't think he was homeschooled.

[Slant]

No doubt, another result of state education...

Really? That's how you want to play it?

[JohnBrown1917]

I mean, if you don't count the blatant socialist, globalist leaflets liberally scattered throughout all the textbooks, then sure totally.

Imagine actually thinking this is the case in the EU.

[Slant]

Are you sure you can be mean to me? The EU may ban that soon as well.

Oh wow, come on, you can bait better than that. This is fucking amateur stuff... I mean you've lost interest in discussing the topic pretty much from the get go, but hey, at least make it interesting...

[exochaft]

There's quite a bit of misconception about homeschooling going on in this thread, and I'll admit the first I looked into homeschooling my kid I had some similar concerns... but a little education (excuse the pun) goes a long way.

One of the big misconceptions is that home-schooled kids won't get socialization skills that public schools offer. Everyone likely has this image in their head of a kid who never leaves their house and never sees another person. Actually, that's not true at all, and there are have been more strides recently to make sure this doesn't happen. For example, many programs have "home room" where it's basically the students and teacher(s) interacting with each other for the purpose of socialization. Also, programs also allow for planned school activities, such as recess and field trips to name a few, where home-schooled kids come together and interact on a daily basis or at least a few times a week (there's even get-togethers for parents with some programs). These kids also have access to all the extracurricular activities offered by their local school district to publicly-schooled students.

People also think home-schooling is completely hands-off by the state, which can lead to screwed up learning and whatnot. The learning process/progress is still funneled through their local public schools due to laws mandating kids get an education (this is how the state ensures that the kids are getting schooled, it's not a hands-off process by any means). They'll still have to take government mandated testing, just like everyone else. Also, most programs nowadays (especially on-line ones) make sure that they covered the minimum standards required by the state, although they tend to go above and beyond public school standards. It's easier because home-schooling is very adaptable to your child's needs, which leads into the following...

There seems to be some preconceived notion that only religious zealots home school, but again that's just some weird myth people tell themselves. If anything, homeschooling is generally best for those who are forced into a public school system that's terrible or where public schooling isn't necessarily a good fit. The problem with most public schools is that the education is one-size-fits-all, with very little room for variation. There's generally very little accommodation for those that learn faster or slower than the pace of the class, especially when the speed and method of learning differs across several subjects. This is completely leaving out whether you question the content that is taught, where I've found myself butting heads with my kid's school quite often even at the elementary school level (the math they're trying to teach my kid is so many shades of screwed up, and my kid gets scolded when he uses easier math processes I teach him that gets him to the right answers).

I'm sure there's a bunch more preconceived notions concerning homeschooling, but they're likely unfounded. I probably would've been a good candidate for home schooling, because I got really bored in school to the point of where I stopped going to highschool and attended college full-time at 15, having the classes count towards my highschool diploma for a few years. Irony was that a full year's worth of English at a collegiate level was considered less than a full year's worth of English at a highschool level, so I ended up having to take summer school English classes at my high school to finish up my highschool diploma despite being 3/4 of the way to my physics degree in college. The insanity was that I spent that class watching movies like Spaceballs and other Mel Brooks movies and writing papers on said movies, so I guess it wasn't too bad of a time but always left me leery of public school standards.

[Collegeguy]

I wouldn't shed a tear for those weirdos. I don't think home schooling is majority of the time healthy.

Kids need the social experience. Every time I met a home schooler, they were creepy as fuck.

Only home schooler I met that wasn't a social creepo was a kid with 15 siblings.

[JohnBrown1917]

Sounds like bullshit to me. Let the parents homeschool the little bastards.

Making sure a kid gets proper education is important.

[Slant]

I am not trying to bait you... I am just speaking the truth... first they come for the memes, being mean is next, I am sure of it...

You can't put me in a box. I will admit I am irritated at your arrogant and ignorant behaviour. But it is what I have come to expect from Americans. That you practically call us nazis and fascists is already a given, after all, you are American and we are Germans. That you judge us for the way we (and other European nations) do things is also practically guaranteed as soon as you see "German" in any subject line. So why should I be mean to you? You are average. And I'm tired of trying to educate people that make shit up in their head and then are upset when reality doesn't agree with them.

But while we're on the subject. Fuck your way of life. What you so proudly hail as liberalism isn't liberal. It's anarchist. And your own nation doesn't work like that. And social workers in the US do take children away from their parents, because surprise, the US system has sensible people in it, too.

Btw, these people? They don't want their children to learn about evolution or sex ed. They are the prime textbook example on how not to do homeschooling. Oh, I know... your American liberty bell just rang in your head and you're about to say "DUH FREEDOM" but really... this is Germany, we don't give a fuck about what you think are freedoms. We'll stay the nazi place you want us to be... the rest of the world seems to agree with us that we're not, but hey, you live in your own bubble mate, if that makes you happy.

[Deleted]

In Europe, you do. Guess it's a theme of this thread that we have higher standards than the US does. Again.

Actually you do not need a teaching degree to teach. At least not in germany. Stop making up stuff.

[Polyxo]

It's about childrens' rights to a certain standard of educational experience superceding parental rights. I'm fine with it.

[Slant]

Actually you do not need a teaching degree to teach. At least not in germany. Stop making up stuff.

So, how many teachers do you know that don't have a paedagogics degree or at least some other degree? :P

Hint: None. Even if you don't have a paedagogics degree and can can skip the first state exam, you need the second state exam and a requirement to just enter that is having at least a masters degree (or bachelor's and practical work experience) in a field that is needed.