Why can't the far left just turn California into their wonderful Marxist paradise?

[Thestrawman]

They want to do business with a large base of consumers! What do you think they want?

See, this is why we're heading for civil war.

You mean the consumers who can't afford their products?

[Zaktar]

If blue states cut off funding, the red states could raise ginormous amounts of dollars by selling access to nations like Russia and China. Would you prefer that? The red states don't need you, you know...

Access to what?

Edit: oh wait, missed a few posts. Markets? Bahahahahahaha, someone doesn't grasp the population distribution of the country.

They want to do business with a large base of consumers! What do you think they want?

See, this is why we're heading for civil war.

Consumers have to produce something in order to be able to afford to consume =)

[Felya]

You mean the consumers who can't afford their products?

They can... but, the deal isn’t made with a country. That’s not how trade works... you don’t trade consumers. If that were the case, China and India would be undesputed dominant economic powerhouses.

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Access to what?

Edit: oh wait, missed a few posts. Markets? Bahahahahahaha, someone doesn't the population distribution of the country.

The bigger issue is ports... their prices would sky rocket. Anything coming in from Asia, would need to be shipped through the Panama Canal. The shipping cost would increase by at least a 3rd...

Edit: You might get half a Washington, but it’s not the half you want... plus, it would be expensive to destroy all the wind and solar generated in eastern Washington, so Exxon can get more money and they can fight the China hoax.

[Shadowferal]

If blue states cut off funding, the red states could raise ginormous amounts of dollars by selling access to nations like Russia and China. Would you prefer that? The red states don't need you, you know...

This is why secession of any state will never happen.

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Access to what?
Edit: oh wait, missed a few posts. Markets? Bahahahahahaha, someone doesn't grasp the population distribution of the country.

Establishment of military bases.
Staging points for spy networks...drones...

[Calfredd]

If blue states cut off funding, the red states could raise ginormous amounts of dollars by selling access to nations like Russia and China. Would you prefer that? The red states don't need you, you know...

But they do need somebody as you unwittingly pointed out.

[Zaktar]

This is why secession of any state will never happen.

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Establishment of military bases.
Staging points for spy networks...drones...

Are bases a real concern? If they were, wouldn't China/Russia long ago have prioritized their relationship with Mexico in order to install them? Neither country has a military presence in the Americas currently that I'm aware of. As far as spy networks, I'm pretty sure those are running just fine as-is.

[ohtlmtlm]

But they do need somebody as you unwittingly pointed out.

hahahaha NICE!

REKT!

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Are bases a real concern? If they were, wouldn't China/Russia long ago have prioritized their relationship with Mexico in order to install them? Neither country has a military presence in the Americas currently that I'm aware of. As far as spy networks, I'm pretty sure those are running just fine as-is.

Russia was trying to establish relations with central and south america in the 70's and 80's, that's why several different administrations sent CIA and other shenanigans to prop up right wing governments and to put down socialist movements, Cuba being the biggest of those things, and the bay of pigs ect.

[Zaktar]

hahahaha NICE!

REKT!

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Russia was trying to establish relations with central and south america in the 70's and 80's, that's why several different administrations sent CIA and other shenanigans to prop up right wing governments and to put down socialist movements, Cuba being the biggest of those things, and the bay of pigs ect.

So the South's best bargaining chip in a secession scenario relates to 50 year old geopolitics? They should probably be trying harder to impress the rest of us.

[Necroxis]

what a hot take

[Kaleredar]

Their markets. Russia especially is cut off at the moment and would love it.

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Oh! So what you're saying is you want to:

1. cut off all funding to red states.
2. ban the red states from cutting deals with other nations to raise money which would GLADY do so.
3. implement travel bans and other access to punish red states as well.
4. Call them treasonous if they don't agree to your oppressive demands.

And then after all of that is in place, you want to say blue states are better than red states. Nice!

the last time the south tried to go and do their own thing it didn't turn out well


for the south.

[Bullettime]

They want to do business with a large base of consumers! What do you think they want?

See, this is why we're heading for civil war.

Blue states have cities with more people than live in entire red states. We're not headed for civil war. Red states just have a greatly inflated view of their importance and significance which is propped up by things like the electoral college and even equal senators giving them more sway than their population actually warrants. They're being fed by right wing news that they're the real Americans and everyone in blue states or on the coast are liberal elites looking down their noses, which is ironic when California has more conservatives than many red states as well, just not making up the majority.

Red states heavily rely on federal tax dollars provided by the more booming blue states. Blue states in the US are doing overwhelmingly better than the red states, with the exception of Texas which is on a decline itself and the decline is pushing it purple. Red states are the lowest in the country when it comes to wages, health care, poverty, quality of life, industry, taxable revenue/contributions, education, etc. If they were mostly cut off and states gained more independence, which is something conservatives scream they want when it comes to being able to discriminate against people, poverty and starvation would run even more rampant. Many red states have the quality of life equivalent to a third world country, developing at best, as is even when being propped up.

[lockedout]

If they left the rest of America alone, the rest of America, ESPECIALLY THE RED STATES, would wither and die. But why don't you worry about Sweden before you worry about our country.

Why would the rest of the states wither and die?

[Vankrys]

Go away California, we don't need you and your GDP

[SirBeef]

the last time the south tried to go and do their own thing it didn't turn out well


for the south.

It wouldn't fair well for them again.

[Slant]

Good luck with that, since most red states are in debt.

Meanwhile, the Soviet Socialist People's Republic of California gives back more money than it gets from the Feds.

Well, they have Hollywood and the IT industry to back them...

[Felya]

That is not actually true, the Law of the Sea compels countries to provided port access to landlocked neighbours.

They are not land locked, they can go through Panama Canal.

[xskarma]

This was never going to be a productive thread. Closing this here.


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