Trump is a fan of Game of Thrones

[Adapter]

That narrative ignores the part of the equation that matters most first the reason for the surge in the first place second Israel telling all immigrants to go to hell especially Africans

Yes, I only spoke about their wall and whether it was effective.

and third there being better alternatives in the area.

They chose to build a wall to stop what they did not want happening (short-term solution), and now they can debate what is or isn't a best solution for the region (long-term solution).
I believe they can figure it out without my help

[Hilhen7]

I'm sure the immigrants will summon their undead dragon to burn the wall down and kill all the border security that stands in their way. Talk about a stupid argument.

The picture isn't even about the wall in game of thrones. It's about the fucking tagline we've been saying and hearing for years "Winter is coming". Apply some goddamn critical thinking please.

Again the wall wasn't made to keep out the immigrants (Free men), it was designed to keep out the white walkers. Therefore in The Game of Thrones the wall failed to fulfill it's purpose.

The Mexico wall will also fail to keep out most illegal immigrants and drugs. Because we have things called planes, that fly over walls. Maybe you heard of this fancy new invention?

I wasn't the one to initially bring up the wall. I was responding to someone else's statement that referenced the wall. So what's your problem...?

Guess context and critical thinking isn't your strong suite...

[Enthusiastic Steward]

"WTF I hate Game of Thrones now!"

- This thread in a nutshell.

Who said that? Where?

You are confusing the Palestinian wall with the African wall (Israel has two walls) that was actually constructed to stop illegal immigration.
It did just that.

The biggest problem with the comparison to the Israeli wall is a twofold combination of the fact that envelops a much more compact area and runs layers deep (the total length of the more infamous West Bank wall runs more than double the actual length of the border due the wall weaving and cutting in and out) and that a large percentage of the area covered is more urban and populated, areas a physical barrier will be most effective. Similar urban areas on the Mexico-US border already have barriers in place, constructed where they were most needed. As the areas that would be most heavily impacted by the mere presence of a physical barrier already have one, any reduction by adding Trump's wall would be much less drastic.

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

Doesn't surprise me

since he is a british asset.

[Th3Scourge]

Incoming all the lefties who now hate GoT.

"I hated GoT before Trump liked it"

[urasim]

Again the wall wasn't made to keep out the immigrants (Free men), it was designed to keep out the white walkers.

I wasn't the one to initially bring up the wall. I was responding to someone else statement that referenced the wall. So what's your problem...?

Are you being intentionally daft? If the US wall equates to the wall in GoT then the white walkers equates to the immigrants coming from the Americas. I'm not talking about the free folk in GoT(who can bypass the wall anyway since they can swim and make boat and the white walkers can't).

You said that the first attempt to attack the wall(which I don't believe but whatever you say!!!). Well, then it's a fucking amazing wall. It stood and did it's job for thousands of years. The only reason why they were allowed to even break through it was because "plot". If you think about it, none of it makes sense(given the rules of GoT).

The picture isn't referencing the wall in GoT anyway. So this is ALL irrelevant.

[Paraka]

Oh wow, trump likes a TV show. How deplorable

"TV shows makes nazis, more at 11" - CNN probably.

[Adapter]

Who said that? Where?


The biggest problem with the comparison to the Israeli wall is a twofold combination of the fact that envelops a much more compact area and runs layers deep (the total length of the more infamous West Bank wall runs more than double the actual length of the border due the wall weaving and cutting in and out) and that a large percentage of the area covered is more urban and populated, areas a physical barrier will be most effective. Similar urban areas on the Mexico-US border already have barriers in place, constructed where they were most needed. As the areas that would be most heavily impacted by the mere presence of a physical barrier already have one, any reduction by adding Trump's wall would be much less drastic.

Yes, someone already explained to me that the Israel-like wall in the USA would be very expensive to maintain operational at the level of the original.
I don't follow the specifics very closely, could you tell me whether Trump wants to add to the existing wall or upgrade the existing one to better standards or both?

[urasim]

Did you even read the thread? And there's no "wall" coming. He's asking for a fence. That is defeated by a $5 saw.

I didn't read the thread. I read some posts that were just straight up stupid and felt the need to correct the stupid.

I don't care if there's a wall coming or not. I don't care if a gentle breeze can knock it over.

You probably assume I support Trump. I don't. Stop assuming shit.

[Celista]

Celista, we've had our differences, but we can agree whole heartedly on everything in this comment.

Well, I'm glad we found common ground.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Yes, someone already explained to me that the Israel-like wall in the USA would be very expensive to maintain operational at the level of the original.
I don't follow the specifics very closely, could you tell me whether Trump wants to add to the existing wall or upgrade the existing one to better standards or both?

Both. And some sections need upgrading/maintenance and that's fine, but that's not what he wants. Or rather, not just what he wants.

There's a multitude of problems with his wall, and some I mentioned previously, but basically:
- The majority of people in the US illegally entered legally and overstayed their visa, which a wall won't help with.
- The vast majority of illegal drugs entering the country are smuggled in at legal points of entry, which a wall won't help with.
- Trump has continually lowballed any estimate of how much the wall will actually cost, which means he'll have to keep coming back and asking for more money, so we risk this type of scenario every time. (Aside from perpetually increasing the budget to account for upkeep, maintenance, and staffing of hundreds of additional miles)
- Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, but Trump keeps pushing this lie. He claims it will come from his renegotiated trade deal. If that was the case, as the deal is completed, he wouldn't need to be asking for money, it would have been set aside as a part of that deal. Trump either doesn't understand or is lying about how allocation of federal money works. This problem is further compounded that even if his claim was true, the deal could be renegotiated by future Presidents but once built the wall will require money forever or it will simply fall pointlessly into disrepair.
- And lastly and leastly construction needed to start the day he took office. Even if he wins a second term, chances of completing a project of this scale are slim. Heavy Republican Texas started building a fence in 2006 and that's STILL not done. So what, then you get a Democrat or even Republican who is much less enthusiastic about the wall and not willing to fight tooth and nail for the required money and construction grinds to a halt and the end result is a partially completed national embarrassment slowly crumbling away into the desert 50 years from now.

That's why I'm opposed to the wall, GoT posters or no. Money for border security would be better spent on literally anything else. Even just a bunch of old guys in rocking chairs with long sticks yelling "Git!", which would at least be entertaining.

[jackofwind]

Obvious fair use is obvious. The content is clearly transformative. So no, when you're a major political figure, breaking absolutely no laws whatsoever is no a problem.

Picking fights with him over obviously manufactored problems is what lends him the credibility he needs to galvinize the right wingers who would normally object to him into his base.

Trademark dilution is a real thing that people are taken to court over, although Trump isn't using this to sell products which makes it a bit different. That's why I posed the honest question.

[Draco-Onis]

Yes, I only spoke about their wall and whether it was effective.



They chose to build a wall to stop what they did not want happening (short-term solution), and now they can debate what is or isn't a best solution for the region (long-term solution).
I believe they can figure it out without my help

You are right if the US gets free billions from another country to fully built and guard the border and then decided to get unlimited funding to throw out most of the 13 million illegal aliens, got rid of their rights as humans then the wall may have some impact.

Good one sounds like the perfect plan

[Adapter]

Both. And some sections need upgrading/maintenance and that's fine, but that's not what he wants. Or rather, not just what he wants.

There's a multitude of problems with his wall, and some I mentioned previously, but basically:
- The majority of people in the US illegally entered legally and overstayed their visa, which a wall won't help with.
- The vast majority of illegal drugs entering the country are smuggled in at legal points of entry, which a wall won't help with.
- Trump has continually lowballed any estimate of how much the wall will actually cost, which means he'll have to keep coming back and asking for more money, so we risk this type of scenario every time. (Aside from perpetually increasing the budget to account for upkeep, maintenance, and staffing of hundreds of additional miles)
- Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, but Trump keeps pushing this lie. He claims it will come from his renegotiated trade deal. If that was the case, as the deal is completed, he wouldn't need to be asking for money, it would have been set aside as a part of that deal. Trump either doesn't understand or is lying about how allocation of federal money works. This problem is further compounded that even if his claim was true, the deal could be renegotiated by future Presidents but once built the wall will require money forever or it will simply fall pointlessly into disrepair.
- And lastly and leastly construction needed to start the day he took office. Even if he wins a second term, chances of completing a project of this scale are slim. Heavy Republican Texas started building a fence in 2006 and that's STILL not done. So what, then you get a Democrat or even Republican who is much less enthusiastic about the wall and not willing to fight tooth and nail for the required money and construction grinds to a halt and the end result is a partially completed national embarrassment slowly crumbling away into the desert 50 years from now.

That's why I'm opposed to the wall, GoT posters or no. Money for border security would be better spent on literally anything else. Even just a bunch of old guys in rocking chairs with long sticks yelling "Git!", which would at least be entertaining.

Thanks for the summary.
Sounds like he has friends that are CEOs of construction companies

[ohiostate124]

How much of a fan can he be? The wall from the show didn't stop the real threat... I get it now, he's admitting his wall is a pointless boondoggle.

I mean, it worked perfectly for 1000s of years and took a dragon to bring it down. I don’t think Mexico has one of those.

[Dendrek]

Probably. That's how that lot worst, damned by association

Reread that and then realize you wrote it.

[Super Kami Dende]

Pretty accurate, considering ALL prototypes of the wall, including the one chosen for final construction, are easily broken through with normal tools like saws.

The wall won't stop anything. It will just blow a hole in the already massive debt, and increase the market for saws, drills, and other tools at the Mexican border. Within a month, the wall would be full of holes. Lmao

"Lmao don't worry about fixing Holes in the Ship, eventually it will have more Holes anyways."

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Thanks for the summary.
Sounds like he has friends that are CEOs of construction companies

Then they're not doing a good job of schmoozing in to get the job. All the prototypes built in 2017 failed to meet Customs and Border Patrol operational requirements. You'd think if he had a buddy with an in at least that wall would have passed.

I mean, it worked perfectly for 1000s of years and took a dragon to bring it down. I don’t think Mexico has one of those.

Mexico has exactly as many dragons as we have 700' tall ice walls in the middle of the desert, so it evens out.

"Lmao don't worry about fixing Holes in the Ship, eventually it will have more Holes anyways."

There's a difference between allocating money to fix the holes in a ship and trying to fix holes in the hull by purchasing another mast.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Of course that idiot would refer to a failed wall in order to score points with his equally idiotic fans.

[Thekri]

If Trump is really a Game of Thrones fan (He might just be stealing the meme), then when Trump enters the chamber to deliver his State of the Union, the democrats should all start whistling "Rains of Castamere". Should freak him out pretty bad.