Healthcare in the US really that bad?

[Melvoin]

Hussein Obama's clan destroyed the healthcare system

[D3thray]

Is it really that bad you ask? You mean to say is a healthcare “system” that relies on private companies and not the government to run and maintain it where profit is the primary thing that’s cares about (and not health) really that bad? You mean to ask if the healthcare that means hundreds of thousands living on the breadline that are unable to pay for care and aren’t looked after the government really that bad? Yeah, ok. I don’t think it’s a question that needs to be asked - it’s not really that bad, it’s a fucking nightmare and dystopian.

I’m talking about the US.

[THEORACLE64]

I’m talking about the US.

Exactly - at least you can see that I am too.

[schwarzkopf]

Just remember when discussing universal health care:

If the US had a dual public/private universal health care system like Australia - there would be a NET saving to the USA of $1.5 trillion per year.

So in any arguments about universal health care, remember that it won't cost - it will pay.

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[Vakna]

I've heard people in the US have to pay out of pocket for ambulances to the point some people are injured but beg not to have one called because they can't afford it, and that doesn't sound like it could be real to me.

That sounds insane. How does a country get away with assigning a monetary value to the lives of it's citizens and still call itself 1st world? What you wrote there sounds like borderline violation of human rights. People shouldn't have to spend their lives under looming medical bills. When someone would rather suffer than seek life saving aid you must realise there is a problem, a country that thinks that's fine is truly fucked beyond help.

[sarahtasher]

When a delivery (the procedure, not Amazon…) cost three times as much in the US than in Canada, you know some things are off (it's not like this procedure is really new, isn'it ?) And that's the kind of thing that irritates me-in public healthcare service, the prices are LOWER, yet the usual suspects claims that ''socialized medecine'' drive prices UP.

[SoundOfGuns]

Hussein Obama's clan destroyed the healthcare system

Obvious Troll is obvious... At least i hope it is a trollpost.

[Draco-Onis]

That sounds insane. How does a country get away with assigning a monetary value to the lives of it's citizens and still call itself 1st world? What you wrote there sounds like borderline violation of human rights. People shouldn't have to spend their lives under looming medical bills. When someone would rather suffer than seek life saving aid you must realise there is a problem, a country that thinks that's fine is truly fucked beyond help.

That's an easy answer the health care industry in the US costs its citizens 50 trillion dollars that's a lot of profit motive to look the other way while people are dying and going bankrupt.

[Axxil]

I suppose "dying" is, technically, an affordable response to chronic or catastrophic illness. My uncle had to lose a foot and go into renal failure before my state would approve him for our poor-people insurance, and that's after he already had his kidney's shut down once the prior year. So, politely peddle your shit to someone else.

That's exactly what happens under single-payer care.

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Waiting is worse than dying and or bankrupting yourself in the process? guess we know where your priorities lie most people are rather fond of living and not being sent to the poor house for getting sick.

Yes, waiting for care is fare worse than going into debt. Bankruptcy also isn't as bad as you think.

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You know that's how universal healthcare works, right? If I have no insurance, I can still get treatment there just might be a queue depending on what it's for. But if I can afford it, I can buy private insurance and get faster access.

The US is basically pay up or fuck off and die.

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If that were true then you'd be describing universal healthcare.

Neither describes universal. In Canada you're only now allowed to buy private because of what the courts ruled, that single-payer was terrible.

[NoiseTank13]

Yes, waiting for care is fare worse than going into debt. Bankruptcy also isn't as bad as you think.

... It's not as bad as having your liver literally shrivel up and die, no, but it's a still a shit choice between having a critical organ die or being a slave.

[Axxil]

... It's not as bad as having your liver literally shrivel up and die, no, but it's a still a shit choice between having a critical organ die or being a slave.

Yea I've filed bankruptcy, doesn't make you a slave. You also don't file bankruptcy for medical procedures. You can defer those payments indefinitely.

[sarahtasher]

That's exactly what happens under single-payer care.

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Yes, waiting for care is fare worse than going into debt. Bankruptcy also isn't as bad as you think.

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Neither describes universal. In Canada you're only now allowed to buy private because of what the courts ruled, that single-payer was terrible.

Bankrupcy is acceptable. That's a new low.

[NoiseTank13]

I don't think he understands what credit is.

[Tidestorm]

So many people in this thread who don't have a clue, not even a shred of a clue, of WTF they are talking about. Start with this, look this up.

EMTALA

Subsequent court rulings have also established that it applies to hospital inpatients as well.

Also, people seem to be forgetting (or aren't aware) that when you get the bill after your visit -- if you can't pay the bill, you can apply for a charitable write off with the hospital. In some cases they will remove all charges entirely. This happens on a regular basis.

[Ozyorkbourne]

600k people in the US go bankrupt from medical bills EVERY YEAR.

Yes, it is that bad.

The country where you have to decide between bankrupting yourself and leaving your children nothing, or just letting the cancer have you.

[Noradin]

You also don't file bankruptcy for medical procedures. You can defer those payments indefinitely.

And this why you do not give people a choice of whether they have health insurance when those providing the treatment cannot refuse.
If you do not give them a choice then you have to provide them with a means.

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Bankrupcy is acceptable. That's a new low.

Worse, he presents bankrupty and to defer payments indefinitely for medical services rendered as standard way to deal with bills.

[sarahtasher]

Please note folks, I'm supposed to be ''socialist SJW'' and the suggestions given there to deal with debts are

1)Don't pay them
2)Bankrupcy
3)Beg for money

[NihilSustinet]

Was just perusing another thread and the common refrain that the US spends more on healthcare than other developed countries but gets worse health outcomes came up. It got me wondering is that really the case and if so why? So I came across this article in Forbes.

http://https://www.forbes.com/sites/.../#1ed9e7851232

An excerpt



The article mentions several other confounding factors from differences in rates of poverty and reporting of infant mortality to liability laws and volume of higher cost procedures. Essentially the case is made that it’s not an apples to apples comparison.

I think the author brings up some good points. Is it the fault of the US Healthcare system that obesity and diabetes are such large problems? That malpractice suits are an ever present boogie man to physicians? Is it incumbent upon healthcare institutions to manage poverty, food deserts, and horny teenagers?

As the 2020 cycle begins to ramp up, I’m sure healthcare will be on everyone’s platform with candidates like Kamala Harris advocating Medicare for all. I think it’s fair to ask what exactly we expect our healthcare system to realistically accomplish.

My wife and I used to pay over $1000 a month for healthcare through employer, but the deductibles and co-pays were still so high that we still couldnt afford to see a doctor when we needed it. thats how bad it is. just because people are insured doesnt mean they are able to get adequate healthcare. we dropped our insurance completely. might as well save them money if you cant afford to see the doctor either way.

[Spiffums]

Nope! I can get in to see a doctor whenever I want to. I don't have to go before a panel or committee to see IF I can get whatever the doctor says I need.