Do women regret chosting to stay at home?

[vashe9]

Lmao no it fucking doesn't. Every Single or stay at home Mother I know hangs out with their friends most days of the week. The Husband and Children at Work/School have far less free time to do so.

But social life doesnt mean only friends, it means colleagues, new people, people with different interests than their own offsprings.

[Darknessvamp]

People get bored of doing the same things over and over

Well it's only until they're meant to be financially viable to have children right? I mean the nuclear option is to freeze up some samples and get a vasectomy if you feel safe sex is still too risky, anal is too gay and 69 is boring.

[Thirza]

Must suck being a Guy that has to roleplay being a Guy.

Way to get it backwards idiot.

[vashe9]

Rofl. Because working from 8 to 8 has worked so great for my social life. Are you people all unemployed or minimum wage workers?

All I see is my wife in the evening and a few co-workers during the day. The rest is just JIRA and Slack.

I'm a developper and I earn more than twice the minimum wage in Belgium

[Super Kami Dende]

Way to get it backwards idiot.

So only one of you roleplays then? Kind of defeats the purpose unless you are Masturbating.

[vashe9]

Why do people assume being a stay at home Mother literally means they stay at home indefinitely. Have you never met a Housewife before?

Yes, my own mother before she got divorced...
My aunts too... before they got divorced...

Do you get the picture now?

[StayTuned]

No were not animals were not slave to our instinct, thats what makes us humans...

Rofl. We've put that label "humans" on ourselves. There is literally no difference between a dog, elephant, you or me, other than our brain's capacity and bodily structure. We even share some DNA with trees, go and figure how similar we are to "animals".

And not being slaves to your instincts is also wrong. We have our own instincts as well that we cannot stop, or just extremely badly through very tough training.

[Techno-Druid]

accomplishments -> created a great child and raised them into a great adult. Can't imagine a better accomplishment.

Really? That's the bar you're setting for the best accomplishment? Literally something tens of billions of people having been doing since anatomically modern humans have existed?

Not creating viable nuclear fusion? Not preventing an ecological collapse? Not working towards and ensuring economic prosperity for your nation? Not uplifting people out of poverty? Not saving a species from extinction? Not providing invaluable resources such as vaccines and antibiotics to people unable to afford them? Not working to mitigate Anthropogenic climate change and its effects on civilization? Not fighting to protect groups like the Rohingya or Uyghurs facing oppression and ethnic cleansing? Not serving your country in time of war? Not working towards global peace?

You're really speaking to my inner Bill Burr here...

[Thirza]

So only one of you roleplays then? Kind of defeats the purpose unless you are Masturbating.

Go jerk to your craving for the 1800s someplace else.

[StayTuned]

You could y'know. Not waste your time here.

I'm on lunch break, ill be gone in about 15 - 20 minutes.

[Bodakane]

Vasectomy. No regrets.

The problem is ego. People want children someday but want them to be their progeny. So they don't take real steps to avoid unwanted pregnancy, because someday they may want kids.

The thing is, there's millions of kids that need homes already and you can pick the one that best suits your lifestyle. But people shy away from that because of the ego involved in, "the child must have MY DNA!!!!!". It is silly.

[Vargulf the Happy Husky]

Vasectomy. No regrets.

The problem is ego. People want children someday but want them to be their progeny. So they don't take real steps to avoid unwanted pregnancy, because someday they may want kids.

The thing is, there's millions of kids that need homes already and you can pick the one that best suits your lifestyle. But people shy away from that because of the ego involved in, "the child must have MY DNA!!!!!". It is silly.

well if their biological parents didn't want them what makes you think i do?

[StayTuned]

Really? That's the bar you're setting for the best accomplishment? Literally something tens of billions of people having been doing since anatomically modern humans have existed?

Seems to have worked quite well for us so far. Mostly at least. A great many people were able to achieve raising awesome adults. Enough people have failed miserably at it as well, though.

Not creating viable nuclear fusion? Not preventing an ecological collapse? Not working towards and ensuring economic prosperity for your nation? Not uplifting people out of poverty? Not saving a species from extinction? Not providing invaluable resources such as vaccines and antibiotics to people unable to afford them? Not working to mitigate Anthropogenic climate change and its effects on civilization? Not fighting to protect groups like the Rohingya or Uyghurs facing oppression and ethnic cleansing? Not serving your country in time of war? Not working towards global peace?

The fuck mate? That's like one in a billion people achievements. Are you literally implying nothing is a great achievement unless you instantly change the world with them? Get a grip on reality. Making your own and your child's life not miserable is almost more than I could expect out of anyone.

Like, really. 99,99% of the people living on this planet are empty sandbags. My bar for you to be awesome is not being a fucking asshole.

[StayTuned]

Go have lunch with your friends

My friends don't live in the same city as I do. Gotta move on when you grow up... you'll eventually also get there one day.

[Sanguinerd]

If not everything was so damn expensive I'd stay home too, and I'm not even a parent

A career is such a pointless thing to me, I've never understood it.

[vashe9]

Birth control fails. It also costs money.

Condoms are free in a lot of western countries. Third world countries have their own problems

[Mysterymask]

And if you cant afford 50 bucks because you're living pay cheque to pay cheque?

..If you're being irresponsible with your sex life and you can't afford the emergency pill in an emergency that's a you problem

fact is children are a responsibility and like I said...its still way way cheaper than raising a human being for 18+ years

[ellieg]

Vasectomy. No regrets.

The problem is ego. People want children someday but want them to be their progeny. So they don't take real steps to avoid unwanted pregnancy, because someday they may want kids.

The thing is, there's millions of kids that need homes already and you can pick the one that best suits your lifestyle. But people shy away from that because of the ego involved in, "the child must have MY DNA!!!!!". It is silly.

I ain't no cuck. I'm not raising someone else's kids lol

[StayTuned]

I ain't no cuck. I'm not raising someone else's kids lol

Adopting a child and saving their life is being a cuck to you?

This forum is just plain absurd. Where are all the people I've used to have great discussions with years ago?

[Monster Hunter]

Raising a child is hard, raising more than one is multiplicative in difficulty.

Rasing kids + focusing on and succeeding in a career is playing the life game on super hardcore. And there's Alot of risk you will drop the ball screwing up you career or kid. This why pragmatically one parent should focus on the child rearing aspect and the other on provider aspect, so instead of two trying to juggle both, they work as a team and a whole.

Now there shouldn't be anything inherently to say this has to be the woman who raises kids and the man who works on there career.

But unfortunately is more pragmatic for this to be so. But to diagnose why that is we need to put the femenist hat down and pick up the egalitarian hat for a while, and that's kind of the problem atm. People can bang on all they want about the patriarchy but as long as men still face harassment and punishment from bosses and society for doing at least an equal share in the child rearing or being financially dependant on a spouse, Then nothing will change.

Alot of the political commentators about gender issue's and equality on both sides of the political spectrum are very empty headed idealists at the moment, great at generating complaints and pointing at the issue but not very good at making practical solutions.
unfortunately the author of this book comes across as just another empty commentator, If the only answer you really have at the end of your waffle is "get rid of the patriarchy" your part of the problem not the solution,
the word patriarchy is an empty word, it's meaning is so poorly defined and inconsistent in application that it's impossible to use as a focuser for practical action.

In our current society the issue's now holding us back from true equality are so intertwined with other issue's affecting people outside our targeted demographic that single demographic, single cause and single care action movements are completely ineffective at progressing society beyond this point.

To use an example, In the UK you can split parental leave equally. There's a case in London of a guy who wanted to do half of the leave so his wife could return to work early for her career, it made perfect pragmatic sense as she earned more than he did. But he encountered several social and buissness manufactured problems in doing this that his wife did not encounter, his boss chastised him, his colleges didn't cover his work so he returned to a mountain, he face teasing from colleges and also freinds, and it wasn't just men doing this to him, his boss was female and many of his freinds and colleges were female. In the end he simply quit and became a house husband, which he's found to come with an embarrassing social stigma, from both men and women who find out.

Now some of you reading this might think "but femenism wants to solve that for him" and yes femenism would like to solve that, nothing would do more to close the gender pay gap than men being able to take more career roles in the family, the problem is femenism will never be able to do that, it will never be allowed to do that, because femenism has no traction in the male world, and thats because though most men will recognise that somethings femenism want benefit men and can only happen if they help men with there internal issue's, there rebranding to be seen as equality focused has failed and men still see femenism as primeraly focused of women's empowerment, now most men aren't against that, but its in human nature to be reluctant and distrusting of accepting help if it's believed the primary interest for offering that help is self interest.

So now we are at an impasse. Womens Equality won't progress without solving the problems in the male world, but the primary cause that holds the monopoly on equality of the sex's isn't trusted enough by the wider male community to have men's best interests at heart.

So men will just sit a suffer there crazy suicide epedemic and mirriad of other social issues. Whilst women continue to complain about the lack of progress on the last hurdles to full equality, And nothing practical will change.

That was very long winded reply I know and it kind of spun out into a wider brain dump of the situation as I see it. But it was useful at least for me to think out the problem from my observations and life experience, So take it for what it is I guess.