Bernie Sanders back again

[tyrlaan]

It's hypocritical to answer an insult without a debate?

Not sure how this is tough for you to sort out that there's a discrepancy here.

Why don't you go tell joe to be more mature and ask him why he isn't posting constructively?

Can you please point me to Joe's sig that espouses "Let's have a fair and open minded debate"? Also, whataboutism is a poor argument.


Please don't bother replying to me unless you have an answer to my single question above. I'd much rather this post return to constructive conversation. I would assume, if you believe your own sig, that you would be interested for the same to happen as well so this shouldn't be asking all that much.

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[Jotaux]

McCain's age was a massive issue in the 2008 election, and he made it through the 8 years. Granted I feel like he was losing it the last 2 years of Obama, then we found out he had a brain tumor. He was the last good Republican candidate in my opinion.

While I don't think Bernie's age matters it will to a lot of voters which is what is most important when choosing a candidate to run for your party.

[zenkai]

Not sure how this is tough for you to sort out that there's a discrepancy here.



Can you please point me to Joe's sig that espouses "Let's have a fair and open minded debate"? Also, whataboutism is a poor argument.


Please don't bother replying to me unless you have an answer to my single question above. I'd much rather this post return to constructive conversation. I would assume, if you believe your own sig, that you would be interested for the same to happen as well so this shouldn't be asking all that much.

You really can't comprehend that I am open for a fair minded debate but that doesn't apply if people ignore the topic just to insult me? Do you really have trouble grasping that concept or are you trying to bait me? I am done wasting my tiime with this. Post at me on topic if you want a debate, post other things if you just want me to laugh and shake my head

[Fahrenheit]

By time NJ's primary comes around it'll likely be decided, so it won't matter for me, not that I can even vote in the primary, you need to have a party affiliation in NJ to do so, which I find dumb. But, I'm of the opinion that come 2020, I'm voting for anyone on the Dem ticket opposing Trump. I think I've had just about enough of him acting like a fool in our country's highest office.

[zenkai]

I didn't say it wasn't written about, I said it wasn't a huge issue.

The Politoco article (I consider left leaning) doesn't have a single comment in over 10 years. So not even among politco readers did they have an issue with his age.

It was a huge issue, which is why it was brought up several times. How old where you in 2007? Did you pay attention to politics? I could pull more sources and stories but if that doesn't convince you then you are being willful ignorant.

[ati87]

McCains age was brought up several times, mostly by democrats, way before Palin was announced. Regardless what you want to believe, my point still stands, people had a problem with his age.

So it was brought up by Republicans thank you for confirming that.

[Xirrohon]

Lazy candidate for people too lazy to work and last election even too lazy to vote. He wont win anyway, didnt you watch the state of the union? Even Dems stood up when Trump said America will never be a socialist country. Only good thing about this, is that Elizabeth Warren is definitely out.

Also, his campaign commercial. Lol. So bad. Change doesnt start from the Top but from the Bottom. Yea... comes from the bottom but managed from the Top. What a fucking asshole.

[zenkai]

If it was a huge issue he would have lost his primary. Sorry, you can delude yourself all you want, but so far the best evidence you have is anecdotal.

Let's not forget we were in the middle of the last depression and that is what lead to McCain getting utterly destroyed in 2008. McCain could have been 20 years younger and he still would have been anhiliated. Popular vote or Electoral vote McCain lost by a lot and those are the facts.

So it was brought up by Republicans thank you for confirming that.

I want everyone to see this. I got one guy saying it was republicans who had the concern, and another guy said if it was a concern he wouldn't have won the primaries.

Hah. hahaha, HAHAHAHAHAHA

[mvaliz]

You really can't comprehend that I am open for a fair minded debate but that doesn't apply if people ignore the topic just to insult me?

You're lying yet again

You don't want a fair minded debate. You want people to either agree with you or you hate on everybody else who doesn't agree with you. Your avatar clearly depicts your deceit in claiming you wanting a fair-minded debate since you apparently post that up and yet slam AOC in mockery and contempt for her.

[Adam Jensen]

Bad decision imo. I'm kind of worried that all of these choices will backfire and voter turnout will be terrible when everyone's favorite candidates don't make it through the primaries.

Which is odd, because my issue last election cycle was lack of good choices. It's complicated, I guess.

I dunno, maybe people will be more practical this time, and side with the candidate that makes it through the primaries and understand they won't get 100% of what they support?

Part of the reason why I was annoyed by the Bernie voters who refused to vote for Hillary was because at least with Hillary she'd fight for some of the policies Bernie wanted. Maybe not as much as Bernie would, but it's better than nothing, right? Better than Trump at least.

[mvaliz]

EDIT: ON topic (and since I can only see this thread from the front page as I have the OP on ignore) i'll say this;

While I really like Bernie, I admit I like Bernie for the policies - NOT neccessarily the man, and to that end, with Warren on board and Harris adopting many of Bernie's policies, I'm perfectly fine with not voting for him this round.

Others have pointed out that having him in at least keeps the discussions of his policies in play, and that I like. However, I'm very VERY worried Dumbass Dump supporters like Zenkai the Liar and the Russian Trolls will immediately try to incite yet another "Liberal" civil war to try to get Dumbass Dump elected if Bernie doesn't go far through more missinformation.

[jeezusisacasual]

Whomever is going to get us universal health care that the rest of the fucking western world has will have my vote in the primary. Whomever is going to get us closer to European style of life will get my vote. If not then i would rather burn this house down then sigh for 8 more years. I want us to be Denmark 2.0 instead of America of the previous 40 years.

[Celista]

I say go for it, Bernie! I would love a Sanders/Trump debate.

Not going to bother to switch my party affiliation from Green to Democrat to vote in the primaries again, though. Wasn't worth it last time, won't be worth it this time.

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EDIT: ON topic (and since I can only see this thread from the front page as I have the OP on ignore) i'll say this;

While I really like Bernie, I admit I like Bernie for the policies - NOT neccessarily the man, and to that end, with Warren on board and Harris adopting many of Bernie's policies, I'm perfectly fine with not voting for him this round.

Others have pointed out that having him in at least keeps the discussions of his policies in play, and that I like. However, I'm very VERY worried Dumbass Dump supporters like Zenkai the Liar and the Russian Trolls will immediately try to incite yet another "Liberal" civil war to try to get Dumbass Dump elected if Bernie doesn't go far through more missinformation.

It's going to happen with any candidate, unfortunately. On the upside: Republicans are as equally divided.

A lot depends on the outcome of the Mueller investigation.

[zenkai]

You're lying yet again

You don't want a fair minded debate. You want people to either agree with you or you hate on everybody else who doesn't agree with you. Your avatar clearly depicts your deceit in claiming you wanting a fair-minded debate since you apparently post that up and yet slam AOC in mockery and contempt for her.

What a fair minded debate you just provided

[ati87]

I want everyone to see this. I got one guy saying it was republicans who had the concern, and another guy said if it was a concern he wouldn't have won the primaries.

Hah. hahaha, HAHAHAHAHAHA

You do know that this isn't a contradiction right?
I know that you like to use alt-accounts to agree with yourself but most people don't do that. We are more than capable of arguing different points that don't contradict each other because we aren't right-wingers who do nothing but circle-jerk each other.

[Wyrt]

He's the best candidate, I just wish he wasn't older than dirt. I'd vote for him regardless, but I hope his VP pick is solid just in case age takes its toll if he does win.

[tyrlaan]

You really can't comprehend that I am open for a fair minded debate but that doesn't apply if people ignore the topic just to insult me? Do you really have trouble grasping that concept or are you trying to bait me? I am done wasting my tiime with this. Post at me on topic if you want a debate, post other things if you just want me to laugh and shake my head

I see you weren't interested in answering my question or honoring my request.

Instead you insult my intelligence (do personal attacks fall into "fair and open minded debate"?) and act as if your sig has a disclaimer that clearly does not exist. By your own admission in your sig you will place people on ignore if they don't want to debate but you not only don't do this, you actively defend acting to the contrary of your own motto in your sig.

If you're not going to ignore people that don't play by your rules, what's the point of specifically saying that in your sig?

What a fair minded debate you just provided

He makes a claim and backs it up with evidence. Not sure what the problem is here. You should be able to easily debate this.

With Warren on board and Harris adopting many of Bernie's policies, I'm perfectly fine with not voting for him this round.

Totally agree. We seem to have a good field shaping up for the primaries, which is very refreshing.

I have no major issues with Warren, but Harris comes accross as pandering. Of course there is no definentive proof, but that's how she comes off from what I've seen. I think being able to come across as authentic will play a big part of winning in the 2020 primary. IMO

I'm a bit skeptical of Harris for this reason as well. I'm curious to see how things shape up over the course of the primary season, which should help solidify if she's pandering or really on board with all these policies.

In general though, I hope folks can curb their purity test mentality that seems to have bubbled to the surface post Bernie's 2016 campaign. We don't need perfection and seeking it will play into Trump's hands.

[Fugus]

I would gladly vote for him if Sanders makes it to the General and he was the superior candidate in 2016 overall. That being said, I would much prefer he actually endorsed a younger candidate with his views as his age is an issue.

For those who keep backing Biden and think he is the path, ponder this. Lets say Biden makes it out of the primary and into the General Election. You are going to see his CSPAN footage where he is at a podium talking about cutting Social Security and Medicare plastered wall to wall. What do you think that will do to his chances?

We have a nation clamoring for Medicare for All or some equivalent with the main ones against it being Trump supporters already. We have a nation where Social Security is very popular and you have Biden talking about "Cutting it to save it" when we have better options and the main ones willing to accept that lie are also already Trump supporters. What do you think his odds are at that point?

Biden already sunk his ship before it set sail.


I am afraid that all these people running in this primary might be counter productive with how the system is setup. Without Ranked Choice voting, all the most similar candidates are just poaching each others votes while the most unique don't poach votes. So you can have 5 people with highly popular policies that would very will work can lose to a 6th candidate that is garbage because none were there to poach his votes.

Also, I think the DNC saw this coming which is why they didn't mind having Super Delegates sit out of the first round because they knew Sanders would embolden others to run like this and with so many running, it is HIGHLY unlikely that any would get the majority allowing the Super Delegates to swoop in and screw the voters in favor of the establishment for round two, even if their choice is the least popular.

[mvaliz]

Whomever is going to get us universal health care that the rest of the fucking western world has will have my vote in the primary. Whomever is going to get us closer to European style of life will get my vote. If not then i would rather burn this house down then sigh for 8 more years. I want us to be Denmark 2.0 instead of America of the previous 40 years.

As I attempted to remind the Bernie-or-Busters in 2016, "Burning your house down to build a new one only works when you're not still living inside it."

Otherwise, I'm totally in agreement with what you said. ^_^ (Though I don't know much about Denmark, TBH)

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I would gladly vote for him if Sanders makes it to the General and he was the superior candidate in 2016 overall. That being said, I would much prefer he actually endorsed a younger candidate with his views as his age is an issue.

I'm honestly kinda surprised he's in, considering Warren and he are super best-buds and ideologically share the same values. =/

I would've thought he would've bowed out and endorsed her and campaign alongside her rather than technically go against her. But... then again, she did end up endorsing Hillary only after Bernie bowed out... so... /shrug?

I'd also would be fine with him as a VP. Hell, a Warren/Bernie ticket would friggin ROCK! ^_^

[Fugus]

I'm honestly kinda surprised he's in, considering Warren and he are super best-buds and ideologically share the same values. =/

I would've thought he would've bowed out and endorsed her and campaign alongside her rather than technically go against her. But... then again, she did end up endorsing Hillary only after Bernie bowed out... so... /shrug?

I'd also would be fine with him as a VP. Hell, a Warren/Bernie ticket would friggin ROCK! ^_^

Oh yeah, they would clean up on votes if they ran as P and VP. The Republicans would lose their damn minds as would the establishment Democrats, but they could pull it off given Sanders name recognition and history along with Warrens and reminding the public that the CFPB was her project who's entire job it was to fight for the consumers and try and to keep businesses more honest.

But too much of this just seems off. Without Ranked Choice voting, 5 popular Sanders policies wonks can lose to a single Clintonite just due to poached votes. Let alone with the increased chances of a second round for Super Delegates to swoop in and fuck it all up anyways.