So Azshara out of nowhere?

[Mighty Parrot]

I think I read a post saying that we don’t kill her in her own raid. I mean, we’ve had, if I remember, at least 3 interactions with her and our attacks do nothing to her.

In the Well of Eternity dungeon, we can only interrupt her mind control ability and once we kill the mobs around her, she grows bored and has Varo’then (??) escort her somewhere else.

In Pre BFA Darkshore, and I think this is Alliance only, you and Malfurion try to take on Aszhara only for her to laugh at Malfurion for being a noob.

In Legion, we, the players are captured and Prince Farondis comes to save us, but is taunted by Aszhara who tries to get him to join her. His answer is to unleash his powers on her (this is the dude that can one shot elite mobs with Meteor). She merely shrugs and leaves after that.

So I don’t think we will be able to kill her. What I would love to see in her raid is a Halls if Reflection style fight. Instead of Arthas throwing ghouls and abominations at us and blocking our way with ice walls, it’s Aszhara throwing Murlocs and Nagas at us while blocking our way with tentacles.

[styil]

There's a dumb meme going around that there won't be an 8.3. I can only assume because people somehow missed that they literally teased it at Blizzcon.

They teased a lot more of WoD at Blizzcon than what we ended up getting.

[Smeller]

I hope for classic "wrathgate cinematic" where villain shows up and defeats some NPCs. I liked that scene where Elisande stops entire siege and taunts elves. I hope that Azshara will destroy Kul'tiran fleet and laugh at Jaina.

Why would the Horde then show up and participate in the raid?

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Sometimes I don't think you guys play the game. You sit in a capital city all day or something. To not know that it's not "Azshara out of nowhere" is dumbfounding. For you guys to be calling her a mid-tier boss? She's final tier. Come on. Battle for Dazaralor is mid-tier. Crucible of Storms is mid-tier. Are many of you so consumed with being angry at Blizzard that you can't even differentiate things and/or follow the story line?

I'd think she is either mid-tier or penultimate-tier. But she just can't be final tier. That would be really underwhelming.

[Kyphael]

It's not out of nowhere like most people have pointed out, she has been hinted and foreshadowed in several areas since Cataclysm. However, she deserved better. Yes, I mean her face on the box of an expansion as its MAIN villain with playable Naga as has been requested for over a decade. Instead, she'll likely play sub-plot villain to N'zoth when she had more potential to carry out her own expansion than Deathwing.

[kamuimac]

azshara is mid tier.

and there will be 8.3
they teased it, there will be one.

they are not gonna pull another wod and abandon the expansion not even half way through.

well duh. we gotta fight nzoth somewhere.

unless there are still some people who belive this is faction war expansion - which i find really hard to belive.

it was obvious since like 2 years ago that 8.0 was going to be old gods and 9.0 will be void vs light.

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It's not out of nowhere like most people have pointed out, she has been hinted and foreshadowed in several areas since Cataclysm. However, she deserved better. Yes, I mean her face on the box of an expansion as its MAIN villain with playable Naga as has been requested for over a decade. Instead, she'll likely play sub-plot villain to N'zoth when she had more potential to carry out her own expansion than Deathwing.

deserves better then being main weapon of old god that you will defeat in final raid of expansion ? ye sure -_-

[Muajin76]

The entire expansion has been centred around petty faction conflict thus far, and now out of nowhere we have an Azshara raid next? Azshara is arguably one of the biggest stars of the Warcraft franchise and they're just going to chuck her in a raid with little to no direct build up? How are we supposed to care and invest ourselves in this content when major lore villains are being mishandled in such a manner? Personally I am extremely disappointed that Azshara is going out like this. She deserves so much more than a cameo in such a weak expansion.

Anyone else find this decision very jarring? I was hoping for a lot more build up before Azshara is unleashed.

Blizz seems to be handling lore pretty shitty lately, many blame this on the writers. I think the writing content hasn't been consistent at Blizzard, which is pretty bad...you would think they would have files organized etc..then just up to date new writers as they join the team.

[Kyphael]

deserves better then being main weapon of old god that you will defeat in final raid of expansion ? ye sure -_-

Do you know the definition of a henchman? If you precede an Old God final boss, it means you're second fiddle. Yes, she deserves better than that. She deserves better than Deathwing, Garrosh Hellscream, fucking Archmonde, and Argus the Unmaker who was literally pulled out of lore's ass. Some notable lore characters that had the distinction of being final bosses of their expansion, for one reason or another, those especially, often ill-executed.

No Old God has ever been the final boss of an expansion for a reason. They're interchangeable in personality and all regurgitate the same 2-dimensional dialogue and play the exact same role. N'zoth should have preceded Azshara, not the other way around, especially with her Warbringers video showcasing her out witting him. Old Gods are tools themselves. Yogg-saron didn't come after Arthas, C'thun wasn't the final boss of Classic, Y'shaarj wasn't resurrected to take Garrosh's spotlight. Why should another glob of tentacles take the role of main villain away from an established lore villain?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Do you know the definition of a henchman? If you precede an Old God final boss, it means you're second fiddle. Yes, she deserves better than that. She deserves better than Deathwing, Garrosh Hellscream, fucking Archmonde, and Argus the Unmaker who was literally pulled out of lore's ass. Some notable lore characters that had the distinction of being final bosses of their expansion, for one reason or another, those especially, often ill-executed.

No Old God has ever been the final boss of an expansion for a reason. They're interchangeable in personality and all regurgitate the same 2-dimensional dialogue and play the exact same role. N'zoth should have preceded Azshara, not the other way around, especially with her Warbringers video showcasing her out witting him. Old Gods are tools themselves. Yogg-saron didn't come after Arthas, C'thun wasn't the final boss of Classic, Y'shaarj wasn't resurrected to take Garrosh's spotlight. Why should another glob of tentacles take the role of mail villain away from an established lore villain?

Yogg wasn't center piece because well Wrath of the Lich King was mainly focused on the most fan loved character ever. Old Gods can be main villains if need be. That doesn't mean I want Azshara to die in 8.2 though.

[George Lucas]

What should they do with Azshara? Let her appear like 20 times to yell at the player how selfish and power hungry she is and that she will crush Alliance and Horde?

Azshara is boring and it is way to late to develop her beyond a cartoonish villain that just wants to wield power for the sake of wielding power.

She will appear in Nazjatar a few times, blather some stupid shit about the void/old gods/naga/tides/herself and then she will get killed in the raid.

[tripleh]

Some how we might learn that N'zoth was responsible for the tsunami that took out the nightbornes capital. Imagine if Azshara realizes that, maybe she has broken off from N'zoth after realizing that. Otherwise accepting N'zoths gift as a player, why would the naga attack you if you have the gift? I'm just hoping no crappy/bad/hack/garbage writing happens in the rest of BFA. But sadly Danuser is in charge......

[vipers]

Must be horde, and have never paid attention to whats going in shrine of the storms. Pretty clear that dungeon is full of N'Zoth fuckery and shenanigans. Azshara being N'zoths lieutenant...

In fact pretty much the majority of the stormsong valley story line has to do with a cult seemingly worshipping N'Zoth and then its pretty full of Naga and Murlocks.

I would think all the naga and murlocs around nazmir and zuldazar have some Azshara/Nzoth shenanigans going on, but I haven't looked into it.

Guess that whole Sargeras thing came out of nowhere too.

And Gul'dan too. What does a time/dimension traveling warlock even have to do Moose Cows and Drug addled elfs?

Since when was Azshara demoted lieutenant from queen

What should they do with Azshara? Let her appear like 20 times to yell at the player how selfish and power hungry she is and that she will crush Alliance and Horde?

Azshara is boring and it is way to late to develop her beyond a cartoonish villain that just wants to wield power for the sake of wielding power.

She will appear in Nazjatar a few times, blather some stupid shit about the void/old gods/naga/tides/herself and then she will get killed in the raid.

On Wrath of the Lich King there was many times when you see Arthas when questing

[Synros]

The entire expansion has been centred around petty faction conflict thus far, and now out of nowhere we have an Azshara raid next? Azshara is arguably one of the biggest stars of the Warcraft franchise and they're just going to chuck her in a raid with little to no direct build up? How are we supposed to care and invest ourselves in this content when major lore villains are being mishandled in such a manner? Personally I am extremely disappointed that Azshara is going out like this. She deserves so much more than a cameo in such a weak expansion.

Anyone else find this decision very jarring? I was hoping for a lot more build up before Azshara is unleashed.

Azshara isn't "coming out of nowhere" at all. She's literally been getting built up since the start of Legion in Azsuna, and even made an appearance in elf form during the main questline...

[George Lucas]

On Wrath of the Lich King there was many times when you see Arthas when questing

Yes and it was cringy and had no meaning, despite Arthas and Ner'zhul having decent backstories in contrast to Azshara. Azshara will get the same treatment, but confined to the lifespan of a single patch, because there is nothing to tell about her. She wants power, that is her whole personality and her whole story.

[Hitei]

They teased a lot more of WoD at Blizzcon than what we ended up getting.

No they didn't. This is Wod's convention timeline:

Announced at Blizzcon (2013) with various features > Briefly talked about at next Blizzcon (no What's Next panel) (2014) > Legion announcement at Gamescom (2015)

This is Legion's:

Announced at Gamescom with various features, then talked about at Blizzcon (2015) > What's next panel about X.2 patch and teased X.3 patch at Blizzcon (2016) the next year > Announced BfA at the following Blizzcon (2017)

This is BfA's

Announced at Blizzcon (2017) with various features > What's next about X.2 patch and teased X.3 patch at Blizzcon (2018) the next year > ...

Do you see how this is following exactly what Legion did, and not what WoD did?

[Kyphael]

Yogg wasn't center piece because well Wrath of the Lich King was mainly focused on the most fan loved character ever. Old Gods can be main villains if need be. That doesn't mean I want Azshara to die in 8.2 though.

Likewise, Azshara should have been the main focus of whatever expansion she was featured in. Old Gods haven't been used in that capacity in any expansion before this one for a reason. This is all speculation, we'll see what they do in 8.2 and beyond.

[melodramocracy]

If you think this is out of nowhere, you simply haven't been paying attention.

[Th3Scourge]

Out of nowhere? Where have you been for the last 14 years? The Naga have been everywhere since Vanilla and ramped up their presence in Cata and they are the focal point of an entire zone in Legion (remember the tidestone?)

Do you live under a rock?

I don't think we will kill her in 8.2. This will most likely be the setup for 8.3 and beyond.

[shadowmatrix]

Yes and it was cringy and had no meaning, despite Arthas and Ner'zhul having decent backstories in contrast to Azshara. Azshara will get the same treatment, but confined to the lifespan of a single patch, because there is nothing to tell about her. She wants power, that is her whole personality and her whole story.

Cringy and had no meaning, only if you didn't know Arthas' story. It was a simple of challenge of walking in his path and trying to come out the other end without being tainted, pretty sure we failed massively overall.

[Muajin76]

If you think this is out of nowhere, you simply haven't been paying attention.

Hmm..maybe the OP isn't aware that she created the naga.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

They teased a lot more of WoD at Blizzcon than what we ended up getting.

I like how you completely ignored everyone correcting you and instead replied to a off-topic comment just to try and take a jab a BfA. Sad.