Why is WoW not improving?

[Zantos]

My favourite posts are the "I came back after X amount of time."

No, you didn't, or you wouldn't be still on these forums (still addicted). You didn't leave because WoW sucks,

I still come to these forums because they are pretty nice for a lot outside of wow. Even when I take breaks. I havent really found any other nice forums. WoW has issues a lot lately though.

[Ethas]

They have made a lot of crucial incurable decisions during the development by trying to cater to the casual audience. Those changes were QoL improvements but overall significantly dumbed down the gameplay so it is not as challenging anymore. They can't simply take away all the nice things they gave to the casual players now so that is why they are locked up now and don't really have the room for fixing what is broken.

Personally for me there were several things that went wrong:

- classes are too similar now. Despite the last addons trying to ressurect class fantasy they couldn't really achieve their goal because the gist of class fantasy is class skills.

- they basically destroyed the world fantasy by saying how powerful and unique each and every player is emphasizing the single person in MMO world where we were meant to be no more than helpers to the main characters. Powerful but unknown.

- housing from asian MMOs for which a lot of vocal forum minority voted completely disrupted the MMO part of the world forcing the players mind their own business and ignore everybody else. This is not healthy for MMO where forging your own community is a key to exploration of the world.

- some mechanical changes, like decreasing the number of the people necessary for raiding high end content, phasing and cross reals, lfr. All those things dissolved the core community and destroyed the sense of importance of it on your own server. Rendering the mutual respect for the players on the same server almost useless.

[lockybalboa]

Because Ion is still director?

[Byleth]

Because it is improving.

However - the attitude of the noisy minority is that a corvette is a downgrade from a mini-minor if the corvette is the wrong colour.

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter too.

I do think there are a couple of genuine grievances about BfA, but nowhere near as much as the community whines about.

[Tyris Flare]

My favourite posts are the "I came back after X amount of time."

No, you didn't, or you wouldn't be still on these forums (still addicted). You didn't leave because WoW sucks, you left because you were banned (forced to leave for a bit) for either rotation botting, farming, exploiting, buying/selling for rl money, or for economy/gold issues.

Yes, WoW has huge development pipeline issues - but it's because they are hiring millennials, or transferring millennials (say from the Diablo series) over from other departments, and, as someone in the creative industries, millennials only know how to copy-and-paste and don't understand that the original games and Google pages and YouTube videos they steal from were created by or about people who were actually creative.

Because of this, unless WoW goes back to their teams who have already earned the minimum 10,000 hours of creativity in (exactly how they replaced the WoW music artist Russell Brower with cheaper unoriginal millennials who just copy-and-paste music bits into pastiches) they cannot improve the game via original mechanics (everything they have done for the last few years is copy-and-pasted from other games or from their earlier games).

This is not a troll, this is also happening with movies (Bird Box stole from which movie?) and apps and music and products and games (Fortnite is being emulated by how many games and was based on which game?) and all creative industries thanks to inbred sociopaths like Bobby Kotick and his "how can I cut corners and get my next bonus at the expense of everything else" inbred sociopathic accounting teams (firing, store mounts, tokens, microtransactions, etc.).

Hiring millennials who have no originality (originality costs R&D and has no guaranteed payout) and no desire/ability to create something new is completely inline with the self-serving goals of the inbred sociopaths running these industries.

This is one of the most incoherent, demented screeds I have ever read on this forum, and that is saying a lot. Congratulations!

[Adjusting]

I still enjoy the game, just a bit less.

[Nyel]

WoW is improving despite what you think and some others think.

You must have a very weird definition of improving.

[Bane-Thunder-God]

You must have a very weird definition of improving.

For the most part it is improving with all the added quality of life functions as I've listed. Which is why i could never go back to Classic, that grind fest of a game would never see me again. I was there in 2005 when I was at Uni. Now I'm a parent and i work full time I don't have time for that kind of time sink. I also play other games this is probably why I'm not as hurt by BFA as some of you.

Looking forward to Sekiro in a couple weeks, Dying Light 2 this year, Mario Maker 2 and I'm gonna be picking up Bloodborne and Detroit this sat.

[Zantera]

People make it sound like staying consistently great is an easy feat when in reality people are also insanely nostalgic and will always talk about how it was better in the good old days.

A long running game like WoW is almost like a tv-show in it's 9th or 10th season at this point. And those suffer from the same type of feedback.

[Mekkle]

its improving, just painfully slowly it feels (too me)

[Druantis]

This is one of the most incoherent, demented screeds I have ever read on this forum, and that is saying a lot. Congratulations!

Sorry, didn't mean to hurt special snowflake feelings.

Don't worry, unlike every other millennial I'ved worked with, I'm sure you're original enough to come up with a countering argument for why wow has no originality anymore.

[Spl4sh3r]

Well no, you should listen to the players but give them what they need not what they want that's the devs job. Look at flying as an example, do you think people would cry for flying as much if the world content weren't so terrible that you just want to do it as fast as possible and be done with it?

I wonder if this would be true if flying was never introduced to begin with.

[huehuehue]

Sorry, didn't mean to hurt special snowflake feelings.

Don't worry, unlike every other millennial I'ved worked with, I'm sure you're original enough to come up with a countering argument for why wow has no originality anymore.

this is just sad

[Sencha]

For the most part it is improving with all the added quality of life functions as I've listed. Which is why i could never go back to Classic, that grind fest of a game would never see me again.

To me the game has become more and more grindy throughout the years. Vanilla was less grindy than most recent expansions.

[huth]

To me the game has become more and more grindy throughout the years. Vanilla was less grindy than most recent expansions.

No, it most definitely was not. The game has continuously become less grindy since Vanilla.

[Kynario]

Do people forget to realize that WoW is still being played 15 years later after its release and probably will for another 15 very easily?

[Pancreatin]

Because in their head improvement is making game more RNG casino-like and adding "exclusive pets lol" and mounts when shit gets bad.

[Mighty Tim]

Do people forget to realize that WoW is still being played 15 years later after its release and probably will for another 15 very easily?

So is runescape except its growing somehow.

[kamuimac]

So is runescape except its growing somehow.

oh ye - its growing because it now has 2000 pplayers not 1000 - amazing 100% growth other games should envy it

[Pu3Ho]

oh ye - its growing because it now has 2000 pplayers not 1000 - amazing 100% growth other games should envy it

Yeah, some time ago they hit 1M of premium subs despite the game being f2p. What you are going to say to that smartass? Could this happen if devs didn't start to listening to the players? - Obviously no, before they did game was on a verge of death.

BFA is crap, it's not even WoW anymore and it won't be better nor in 9.0 nor in 10.0 nor in 11.0 or 115.0 simply cuz in Legion they gave players everything players was asking for YEARS, yet still managed to somehow fail it with uncapped AP grind. Now it will only be worse and worse and the only hope we have is WoW reboot in terms of Classic and further, maybe if they don't add crap like LFR and other shit game could become great again.