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    4k?

    Howdy all,

    I currently have a R5 1600x with a GTX 1070 and i'm looking into upgrading my 1080p monitor to a 4k 60hz monitor.

    Im thinking i might upgrade my cpu to a R7 2700x to help boost a little - Would that help with my gaming at 4k?

    I only play mmos and sometimes dabble in a AAA games now and then.

    I'm not fussed with using medium settings on my current 1070 for the time being as over the next yearish or so ill be upgrading my video card aswell hopefully.

    Or would it be smarter to look into 1440p gaming/monitor?

    Cheers.

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    Upgrading your cpu wouldn't help at all, maybe outside of WOW a little. 4k is entirely gpu dependant. You'll probably be fine in WOW at 4k60 at 5-7, but you won't be getting playable fps in AAA games. If you're fine downsampling to 1440p until you upgrade your gpu, go ahead, but at that point you might as well get a good 1440p monitor rather than a cheap 4k one

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    I would go for this one instead of 4K:
    https://www.samsung.com/dk/monitors/curved-c34j79/ its close enough to 4k and with enough HZ to provide a clean experience.
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    With this I run at ultra settings in wow and have anywhere from 70-100 FPS during most gameplay. And I can play any AAA title just fine (not ultra mind you but I dont mind).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevstar View Post
    Howdy all,

    I currently have a R5 1600x with a GTX 1070 and i'm looking into upgrading my 1080p monitor to a 4k 60hz monitor.

    Im thinking i might upgrade my cpu to a R7 2700x to help boost a little - Would that help with my gaming at 4k?

    I only play mmos and sometimes dabble in a AAA games now and then.

    I'm not fussed with using medium settings on my current 1070 for the time being as over the next yearish or so ill be upgrading my video card aswell hopefully.

    Or would it be smarter to look into 1440p gaming/monitor?

    Cheers.
    I would advise against a 4K unless you have the money and don't mind upgrading.

    Instead of a 4K with lower refresh rate, I recommend a 2K monitor with high refresh (120hz+). This way, you can keep the 1070.

    I have a 4K 60Hz monitor and I regret buying it. My 1060 card doesn't handle it well at all and I'm forced to game at lower than native resolutions which look bad until I upgrade my gpu.

    What you want is 2K resolution with high refresh rate and low response time.

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    Speaking of 4k can a 2080TI (with i7 9700k) handle it well? i'm torn between a 28" 4k 60hz and a 27" 2k 144hz (maybe gsync)
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    Quote Originally Posted by D3athsting View Post
    Speaking of 4k can a 2080TI (with i7 9700k) handle it well? i'm torn between a 28" 4k 60hz and a 27" 2k 144hz (maybe gsync)
    Pretty sure 2080Ti can handle 4k @ 60hz. It should also give you +120 for modern games @ 1440p.

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    There are still some games where even the 2080Ti doesn't provide a solid 60fps at 4k/Ultra.

    4k is just not ready for prime time, and, IMO, is not really necessary.

    If you get a good 27" 1440p (can we stop calling that "2k" - it isn't 2k. 2k would be 1080p... 1920x1080, rounding the 1920 up to 2k, like you do with the 3840 to 4k; 1440p's horizontal is 2560. You cant reasonably round that down to 2k) monitor, you wont be able to see the pixels at a normal seating distance. The upgrade from 1080p to 1440p is quite noticable.. but the further jump to 4k is not nearly as noticable since in both cases you cant see the pixels.

    1440p high refresh is where it is at right now, and for the forseeable future. 4k panels that are actually GOOD for gaming are hideously expensive, and you can forget 4k High-refresh for at least 2 more GPU generations.

    Get a good 1440p/144hz Adaptive Sync display and enjoy the buttery smoothness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3athsting View Post
    Speaking of 4k can a 2080TI (with i7 9700k) handle it well?
    Depends on your definition of well. But be prepared to sub 60 FPS on demanding games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    There are still some games where even the 2080Ti doesn't provide a solid 60fps at 4k/Ultra.

    4k is just not ready for prime time, and, IMO, is not really necessary.

    If you get a good 27" 1440p (can we stop calling that "2k" - it isn't 2k. 2k would be 1080p... 1920x1080, rounding the 1920 up to 2k, like you do with the 3840 to 4k; 1440p's horizontal is 2560. You cant reasonably round that down to 2k) monitor, you wont be able to see the pixels at a normal seating distance. The upgrade from 1080p to 1440p is quite noticable.. but the further jump to 4k is not nearly as noticable since in both cases you cant see the pixels.

    1440p high refresh is where it is at right now, and for the forseeable future. 4k panels that are actually GOOD for gaming are hideously expensive, and you can forget 4k High-refresh for at least 2 more GPU generations.

    Get a good 1440p/144hz Adaptive Sync display and enjoy the buttery smoothness.
    Ok then, between Acer XB271HU and Asus PG279Q what would you pick? (both ips), i don't want tn because coming from a tn i found colors and view angle very underwhelming
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuntantee View Post
    Pretty sure 2080Ti can handle 4k @ 60hz. It should also give you +120 for modern games @ 1440p.
    Most modern games, yeah. Some are still a bit too demanding.
    Quote Originally Posted by D3athsting View Post
    Speaking of 4k can a 2080TI (with i7 9700k) handle it well? i'm torn between a 28" 4k 60hz and a 27" 2k 144hz (maybe gsync)
    You should be fine at 4k 60, maybe you'd have to reduce the settings a bit on some games though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3athsting View Post
    Ok then, between Acer XB271HU and Asus PG279Q what would you pick? (both ips), i don't want tn because coming from a tn i found colors and view angle very underwhelming
    Whatever's cheaper is what I'd personally go with

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    Just got pg279q to replace a broken mg278q, gotta say difference between tn and ips is like day and night, i can't reccomend ips enough if you can afford it
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    Pft, 4K ... go for 8 or 16k instead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    Pft, 4K ... go for 8 or 16k instead!
    You have a chance of running 4k, no chance in hell running 8/16k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    no chance in hell running 8/16k
    Unless you go mad and get a Sli 2080TI or Titan setup
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    Quote Originally Posted by D3athsting View Post
    Unless you go mad and get a Sli 2080TI or Titan setup
    Even then, good luck.. A 2080ti can still only do 60 FPS in AAA titles at 4k. SLI scaling isn't perfect, and even if it was, you'd be looking at 30 FPS at 8k, or like, 8fps at 16k.

    If you play esports titles like CSGO you could probably be fine with a single 2080ti, but people who play that game with a 2080ti want the frames, not the resolution anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    Even then, good luck.. A 2080ti can still only do 60 FPS in AAA titles at 4k. SLI scaling isn't perfect, and even if it was, you'd be looking at 30 FPS at 8k, or like, 8fps at 16k.

    If you play esports titles like CSGO you could probably be fine with a single 2080ti, but people who play that game with a 2080ti want the frames, not the resolution anyway
    You can set downsampling to 1.4 on 4k to see how 8k runs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevstar View Post
    Howdy all,

    I currently have a R5 1600x with a GTX 1070 and i'm looking into upgrading my 1080p monitor to a 4k 60hz monitor.

    Im thinking i might upgrade my cpu to a R7 2700x to help boost a little - Would that help with my gaming at 4k?

    I only play mmos and sometimes dabble in a AAA games now and then.

    I'm not fussed with using medium settings on my current 1070 for the time being as over the next yearish or so ill be upgrading my video card aswell hopefully.

    Or would it be smarter to look into 1440p gaming/monitor?

    Cheers.
    Get a 1440p ultrawide. This provides the ultimate experience.
    - 1440p is better than 1080p because you can see 1080p isnt sharp. The difference between 2k and 4k is not as noticeable. However, the fps drop is hella noticeable. On top of it, 4k will make everything look tiny especially your cursor. Which will make you curse a lot while gaming as you will lose sight of it so often.
    - Ultrawide greatly enhance your gaming experience. It will certainly make you more happy than any other upgrade.
    Imho:
    1) 1440P Ultrawide, 80-120 fps, RTX 2070 or 2080 or 2080Ti
    2) 1080P ultrawide, 80-140fps, many cheap GPUs
    3) 4k, 30-50fps, RTX 2080 Ti
    4k gaming is the dumbest thing you could do today as gaming at 30fps is much more a bottleneck to your satisfaction than low resolution could be. And you'll have to pay $1000 for your gpu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3athsting View Post
    You can set downsampling to 1.4 on 4k to see how 8k runs
    8k is 4x the pixels of 4k. It's fairly simple math, 4x the pixels = 4x the processing power needed = roughly 25% of the original frame rate

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    Quote Originally Posted by lummiuster View Post
    Get a 1440p ultrawide. This provides the ultimate experience.
    - 1440p is better than 1080p because you can see 1080p isnt sharp. The difference between 2k and 4k is not as noticeable.
    Can we stop calling 1440p 2k? It's not.
    1080p is 1920x1080
    1440p is 2560x1440
    4k is 3840x2160

    2k is 1080p, 1440p is 2.5k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    8k is 4x the pixels of 4k. It's fairly simple math, 4x the pixels = 4x the processing power needed = roughly 25% of the original frame rate

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    Can we stop calling 1440p 2k? It's not.
    1080p is 1920x1080
    1440p is 2560x1440
    4k is 3840x2160

    2k is 1080p, 1440p is 2.5k
    No. People like to refer 1440p to 2k (1080p to 1k and 3840p to 4k). It is much easier to remember 1/2/4 than 1080/1440/3840 and whatever stands for 8k. So lets keep using it. Words get their meaning from what people think of when they use the word. It is nice to know what they truly stand for but the most important is to know what people think it means when they use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lummiuster View Post
    No. People like to refer 1440p to 2k (1080p to 1k and 3840p to 4k). It is much easier to remember 1/2/4 than 1080/1440/3840 and whatever stands for 8k. So lets keep using it. Words get their meaning from what people think of when they use the word. It is nice to know what they truly stand for but the most important is to know what people think it means when they use it.
    That there is the reason people getting more dumb.

    Please stop contributing to the stupidity of the world.
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