[TV/Books] Game of Thrones ***SPOILER Discussion***

[Jessicka]

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On his belt the entire episode.

It's been there at least since Arya showed up in Winterfell and they both started dressing the same.

[Zaktar]

Something similar happened Withe the Wheel of Time books by Robert Jordan. It grew so big and so in depth he started having trouble with the books, Sadly he died before finishing them, but he had the over all story outlined and "finished" . I wonder how the Wheel Of Time series adaptation will work out

At least they finished strongly. Those books could be edited into something people might actually read; just have to take out vast chunks of the middle.

[Jessicka]

I'm glad they showed us about 10 full minutes of characters slowly walking in silence instead of less important scenes such as Jon surrendering and somehow convincing Grey Worm not to kill him on the spot. It was also great how they turned what in earlier seasons would have been a serious scene, the new council picking up the pieces of the realm, into a sketch comedy scene (omg not the chairs! troll author not including Tyrion in his meta book. oh Bronn you're such a hoot. hi Bran, bye Bran). They finally gave that loser Jon the sendoff he deserves. He did the right thing, was pivotal in saving literally everyone from ice zombies, his family rules the entire continent, the only people who hate him took a boat to another country, and STILL he gets exiled to the cold wasteland! Fuck him.

Yeah, totally nailed it.

By then everyone knew Jon was the rightful heir and had a ton of support. Grey Worm had no choice about killing him on the spot, he still respected what he'd done and respected he, like Tyrion would be treated differently. I mean, you say yourself "the only people who hate him took a boat to another continent". He hates him, but he's not a fucking idiot.

He got exiled because he didn't want to be King, everyone knew he was a Targaryan and didn't want another on the throne even if he did, and he had no place in Winterfell. His work was done. What the fuck else is he going to do? Get executed for killing Dany which is what was actually going to happen? Dany was even more instrumental in killing ice zombies, as was Arya; people were glad the former was dead and no one seemed to give much of a shit about the latter.

[Gorsameth]

By then everyone knew Jon was the rightful heir and had a ton of support. Grey Worm had no choice about killing him on the spot, he still respected what he'd done and respected he, like Tyrion would be treated differently. I mean, you say yourself "the only people who hate him took a boat to another continent". He hates him, but he's not a fucking idiot.

He got exiled because he didn't want to be King, everyone knew he was a Targaryan and didn't want another on the throne even if he did, and he had no place in Winterfell. His work was done. What the fuck else is he going to do? Get executed for killing Dany which is what was actually going to happen? Dany was even more instrumental in killing ice zombies, as was Arya; people were glad the former was dead and no one seemed to give much of a shit about the latter.

How did Greyworm not have a choice? The guy was slicing unarmed prisoners throats because their queen killed his girlfriend. How the fuck do you think he is going to feel when he sees that Jon is the man that killed his Queen that he is fanatically loyal to?
And he commands the unsullied and Dothraki who at this point are still equal to any other army on the continent and are all also utterly and fanatically loyal to their just murdered Queen.
There is no reality in which Jon doesn't get murdered in the most brutal way Greyworm can think of, which is why D&D had to time skip ahead because they had no way to realistically avoid that situation.

[Flurryfang]

How did Greyworm not have a choice? The guy was slicing unarmed prisoners throats because their queen killed his girlfriend. How the fuck do you think he is going to feel when he sees that Jon is the man that killed his Queen that he is fanatically loyal to?
And he commands the unsullied and Dothraki who at this point are still equal to any other army on the continent and are all also utterly and fanatically loyal to their just murdered Queen.
There is no reality in which Jon doesn't get murdered in the most brutal way Greyworm can think of, which is why D&D had to time skip ahead because they had no way to realistically avoid that situation.

D&D: "Okay, we got a problem with what to do with the Dothraki and Unsuillied army, which we have resurrected and somehow reinforced throughout the entire season. Won't they just defeat the broken kingdoms of Westeros and pillage the land, leaving nothing for winter?
D&D: "Wait! I got an idea!
MAGIC!!!!!
Narrator: " And after some time, the Dothraki returned peacefully to the Grass Sea and the Unsuillied happy with a dead queen and exiled murdere, left for Naath to never be seen again".

[Jessicka]

How did Greyworm not have a choice? The guy was slicing unarmed prisoners throats because their queen killed his girlfriend. How the fuck do you think he is going to feel when he sees that Jon is the man that killed his Queen that he is fanatically loyal to?
And he commands the unsullied and Dothraki who at this point are still equal to any other army on the continent and are all also utterly and fanatically loyal to their just murdered Queen.
There is no reality in which Jon doesn't get murdered in the most brutal way Greyworm can think of, which is why D&D had to time skip ahead because they had no way to realistically avoid that situation.

Even his Queen who just burned down a city gave Tyrion time in which to establish a defence, and Grey Worm isn't an idiot he's a military commander, he doesn't ever make any rash decisions like this, the guys he's executing he's carrying out methodically at the instruction of Dany; it's not malicious, it's just business. He controls the Unsullied and Dothraki, but they weren't the majority of combat forces, and he just raised his only defensible position on the entire continent.

In any case, it wasn't his dream to be the military commander, it was to finish the job and go home as free man with Missandei. And go home is exactly what he did.

[Celista]

At some point we should talk about how Drogon is apparently intelligent enough to figure out that Danerys' quest for the throne is ultimately what killed her but not intelligent enough to immediately figure out that pointy thing sticking out of his mom = dead

[Puri]

I just realized: Sansa queen, Bran king, Jon exiled, Arya on an adventure.

Almost like Catelyn Stark wrote the episode.

[Puri]

At some point we should talk about how Drogon is apparently intelligent enough to figure out that Danerys' quest for the throne is ultimately what killed her but not intelligent enough to immediately figure out that pointy thing sticking out of his mom = dead

Or perhaps he saw the pointy thing sticking out of his mom, saw the pointy things the throne is made of, and made the wrong conclusion.

[Baltasar]

I feel bad for you noobs actually liking this dogshitshow.

[Gorsameth]

Even his Queen who just burned down a city gave Tyrion time in which to establish a defence, and Grey Worm isn't an idiot he's a military commander, he doesn't ever make any rash decisions like this, the guys he's executing he's carrying out methodically at the instruction of Dany; it's not malicious, it's just business. He controls the Unsullied and Dothraki, but they weren't the majority of combat forces, and he just raised his only defensible position on the entire continent.

In any case, it wasn't his dream to be the military commander, it was to finish the job and go home as free man with Missandei. And go home is exactly what he did.

He doesn't do rash things, like throw his spear in rage at a bunch of surrendering soldiers because his girl just died?

Oh nope, he literally did that the previous episode.

And why are the Unsullied going to an island to die out instead of following the last order of their queen?
To break free everyone in the world?

Nothing involving the resolution of the Dothraki and Unsullied makes any sense at all.

[Jessicka]

At some point we should talk about how Drogon is apparently intelligent enough to figure out that Danerys' quest for the throne is ultimately what killed her but not intelligent enough to immediately figure out that pointy thing sticking out of his mom = dead

Drogon was shot by Bronn last season in their first encounter with Scorpions. He just shrugged off being impaled, maybe he thinks mom should be more resilient.

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He doesn't do rash things, like throw his spear in rage at a bunch of surrendering soldiers because his girl just died?

Oh nope, he literally did that the previous episode.

And why are the Unsullied going to an island to die out instead of following the last order of their queen?
To break free everyone in the world?

Nothing involving the resolution of the Dothraki and Unsullied makes any sense at all.

That wasn't rash, that was hearing Drogon start cooking the town.

Why are they going home? Because their leader is dead, and the alliances that she held together the rest of the armies have split apart from them and looking for new direction.

[Vargulf the Happy Husky]

Trolling isn't allowed. Infracted.

booooooooooooooooooooo

[valax]

I was about to ask why the wildlings would go back North of the Wall, but then there's that passing shot of a fern growing in the snow.


Fuck you.

hey no WW around anymore , it's free real estate for the king beyond the wall

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according to D&D - what if his real goal was always from begining 3 eyed raven nothing else.

ye ye i know tinfoil hat

He tried to give us a good ending

[apelsinjuice]

All these gaffs are proof this season was rushed and the show runners just didnt give a shit. That scene looked like a test shoot and they just said fuck it lets roll with it. Also that had to be the shortest Winter in history of Westeros .

Dumb and dumber obviously stopped giving a shit about this show and just rushed to finish it as soon as they got the starwars disney deal, they see themself as the second coming of jesus when it comes to writing when they had all the book material and Georges help to make the first seasons

[Independent voter]

Where did Jon even get a Sai? I've never seen a dagger like this on the entire show.

You can't stab a fashionable girl with an unfashionable knife, it would clash.

[Zyrinx]

because? the north is bigger than all of the other kingdoms combined? how is that hard to understand really? it was established many seasons ago and in the books as well...

My point is that there's pretty much zero incentive for anyone to be in this alliance, that's all.

[maulgryve]

Love the show. Hated the finale.

Jon - He was in love with Dany. He decided to kill her after only talking to her for approximately 3 minutes to decide if she was crazy (Tyrion, Sansa, Arya didn't help him to think otherwise). Did she just rampage a city. Yes. Did she feel bad about it? Not really. Did he supposedly love her? Yes,... Well maybe. I think it was worth more than a 3 minute conversation to decide her fate. Him asking her, "What about the other people who think they know what is good?" And her reply of, "They don't get to choose." She is right. Are they going to go around to every lord and lady of the realm to ask their opinions?
Jon reminds me of the Walking Dead when Rick has his questions:
1. How many walkers you killed?
2. How many people you killed?
3. Why?
At the very least, Jon could have asked Dany these questions. Dany's answers:
1. Bout a million.
2. Bout a million.
3. Cause they sought refuge with Cercei. I heard bells. Jorah died. Missandei got murdered. Euron killed my baby. I lost control.
This strange conversation would still have been better than, "How do you know it will be good?"
The only redeeming thing about Jon is that he gets his dog back, and he gets to hang out with Tormund.

Dany - Torching the city was totally out of character for her. Just listen to the first minute and a half of this video from season 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvBXx2MZA5Q
Is she a killer? Yes - to her enemies, she has no mercy. But it is a huge stretch to make us believe she thinks of all women and children as enemies that are inside of King's Landing. They are peasants. She has a dragon. Of course they are going to be scared and want some place to hide. It is just ridiculous. D&D wanted some shocker to keep people talking and have a big wow moment of the finale. Like killing Jack at the end of Titanic - there was definitely room on that raft for him, but to get a shock out of the audience - kill him.

Grey Worm - He just releases Jon to go north to the wall (which was destroyed) to protect the realm from whitewalkers (which were destroyed). Worm literally just killed soldiers in the street because they were the queen's enemies. Jon killed the queen. That qualifies as an enemy to the queen. Jon would have been dragged behind a Dothraki horse as a meat crayon. Also, he is ok with Tyrion getting to go free as hand of Bran? After committing treason on his Queen - riiiight.

Drogon - At the very least they could have had Drogon blast Jon with fire. Did Jon have the fire immunity like Dany? Maybe. We will never know. At the least he could have tried. Jon just killed Drogon's mom. So he gets mad and burns the throne. Drogon would have totally ate Jon. I see a lot of excuses saying that Drogon knew his mom was crazy and that Jon did the right thing. Drogon is a dragon, and dragons are like super smart, right? Drogon is a dragon, and dragons can also be super crazy and evil. Drogon was the one spewing explosive fire at the women, children, and old men. If anyone went crazy - it's Drogon. Would he fly off to roam the earth like Kane from Kung Fu? Maybe, but I think he would torch the rest of the humans in King's Landing first.

Arya - "I know a killer when I see one." What was the first clue? Dany literally just killed 1,000,??? people. Worst line in the whole series ( I didn't mind the bad poosey line). And now she is going to sail west, to where only 2 people in history have been known to have gone and lived. Good luck. Also, why was she invited to the Dragonpit? Bodyguard to Bran? Killer of the Night King? That made no sense.

Sansa - So now you are queen of the north. And your brother, Bran, the King of the south just is ok with it. No big deal. You state that the north will never bend the knee to the south. Not even if its a Stark? What difference does it make if the Stark is sitting in King's Landing or in Winterfell? Is she saying that even if she were Queen of all the realms, that the north would not follow her if she sat in King's Landing? Sound like she just wants to be queen, and that is an excuse.

Edmure Tully - Sansa telling him to sit down. He should have said, "Bitch please. What have you done? You hid in the crypts at Winterfell." The writers wrote his character like a scene out of Meet the Fockers. This scene was so out of place it was cringe-worthy.

Brienne - Now the leader of the white cloaks. The main protector of the king. Even though she swore and allegiance to Sansa, who is Queen of the realm next door. Guess she forgot that Sansa will also need a protector.

Dorne - They are ok with Bran being the King. And they will follow him. They don't know anything about Bran. The kid has never been south of Winterfell yet they supposedly are ok with him leading the whole realm?

Bran - Speaking of Bran. He's the three eyed raven. And everyone is ready to follow his lead. Right? Right. Wait.... What is a three eyed raven? Literally no one knows what the heck a three eyed raven is except maybe Tyrion. All they see is a teenage boy in a wheelchair who is ridiculously socially awkward. At least Edmure can get up and give a speech to tell everyone why he should be king.

Bronn - Talking brothels when the whole city just got burned down. How many prostitutes are even left in the city? He is master of coin. Bran is ok with that? Who elected him? Tyrion I suppose?

Sam - He is head maester now? He literally only went to the Citadel and scrubbed chamber pots. And stole some books. He did cure Jorah though so I guess that qualifies him as the chief maester of the realm, ready to serve the King.

Dothraki - Guess they get to go back to their rapin and pillaging across the countryside. The only thing keeping this murderous bunch at bay was Dany. And now they are in Westeros, which is ripe for the picking. They will choose their own leader, and do their own thing. They won't be following Grey Worm to some island.

[Leyre]

He went exactly where he wanted to be.

He never knew what the fuck he wanted

[Ashnazg]

He doesn't do rash things, like throw his spear in rage at a bunch of surrendering soldiers because his girl just died?

Oh nope, he literally did that the previous episode.

And why are the Unsullied going to an island to die out instead of following the last order of their queen?
To break free everyone in the world?

Nothing involving the resolution of the Dothraki and Unsullied makes any sense at all.

I get that people think that Grey Worm was avenging Missandei, but there is no evidence that he threw the spear because he was in a fit of rage. He waits until he sees Drogon and Dany disregard the bells and start blowing up the city. When that happens, he surmises (correctly) that the Queen wishes for the massacre of KL to be sine missione, and he follows her into battle like a loyal dog. He is likely feeling all the rage and frustration from Missandei's death, but that's not the reason why he throws the spear.

A bigger problem is that her Dothraki bloodriders are literally sworn to kill whoever kills her, and then join her in death. It seems that the showrunners remembered that Dothraki were supposed to join Dany in death (since they are not mentioned at all ever again), but the fact that Jon is alive when there's a gazillion bloodriders around is not even an inconsistency, its a glaring plot hole. Not even Grey Worm (if he was so inclined) could keep them from killing Jon.