Alabama R's tried to make all abortion a felony to force a SCOTUS decision

[Benggaul]

That right there should be a disqualifier, imo

No, that's their standard excuse for doing reprehensible shit.

[Kryctos]

Well if you are hearing vices in your head you should taking medication or in amental institution not running the government

[Orbitus]

Mississippi federal judge just blocked Mississippi's Heartbeat bill that bans abortion after 6 weeks.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/24/polit...dge/index.html

[enigma77]

Abortion is evil. Period.

Instead of overturning Roe v. Wade they should replace it with a ban on all abortions, nationwide.

[Yetanothernewbie]

Abortion is evil. Period.

Instead of overturning Roe v. Wade they should replace it with a ban on all abortions, nationwide.

So you really must love dead women huh? Because banning abortion won't stop abortions. Just make desperate women do desperate things.

[Orbitus]

Abortion is evil. Period.

Instead of overturning Roe v. Wade they should replace it with a ban on all abortions, nationwide.

So, a clump of fucking cells has more rights than the broodmare women? Fucking figures.

[kail]

Abortion is evil. Period.

Instead of overturning Roe v. Wade they should replace it with a ban on all abortions, nationwide.

Abortion is mostly tragic but still a choice that women should have that involves their body.

[Thirza]

Anyone wanna guess what State has the worst infant mortality rates?

It is about controlling women not the sanctity of life.

All these Rs just get whipped into a frenzy about it because it combines things they love: self righteous indignation, screwing women over and religious rants.

[Rasulis]

Nevada on the other hand is going to pass a bill to make it easier to get abortion.

Nevada Law Removing Abortion Restrictions Passes State Assembly

[Lanrefni]

So, it isn't the whole of the US that is backwards, then? Neat.

Nevada has legal prostitution,so readily available abortions are in that industries best interest,and they have lots of politicians owing them favors.

[Themius]

oh look

"endowed by their creator" we aren't a fucking theocracy!

[Twdft]

oh look

"endowed by their creator" we aren't a fucking theocracy!

Also "commiting a second violent act to a woman..." it doesn't seem to matter to them what women want.

[Azadina]

So, this is becoming a thing:

Missouri Governor Signs Ban On Abortion After 8 Weeks Of Pregnancy

Florida Rep. Mike Hill says God spoke to him to sign off on near-total ban abortion bill too

This isn't some coincidence. The GOP are now fully invested in their war against women's rights.

They are going full Saudi-Arabia now when Trump still holds presidency, and supreme court is stacked with trusted lapdogs.

[Theodarzna]

So, this is becoming a thing:

Missouri Governor Signs Ban On Abortion After 8 Weeks Of Pregnancy

Florida Rep. Mike Hill says God spoke to him to sign off on near-total ban abortion bill too

This isn't some coincidence. The GOP are now fully invested in their war against women's rights.

The GOP, or at least Trump, failed to follow through on a lot of his promises. Their best hope now is to deliver fully on the Pro-Life cause. Delivering this sort of victory might at least vindicate him as Abortion has been a big one on the right.

[Nellise]

oh look

"endowed by their creator" we aren't a fucking theocracy!

Ummm: "“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness….”"

[Endus]

oh look

"endowed by their creator" we aren't a fucking theocracy!

Here's the point-by-point for ease of reference/quoting;

• Conservatives believe every single human life has inestimable dignity and inherent value.
• We believe in protecting the sanctity of life and defending those that cannot defend themselves.
• Because we believe that unborn children have an inherent right to life endowed by their Creator, as the Constitution states all humans have, we believe all unborn children must be protected.
• In cases of rape and incest -
  
  • These are horrific incidents that are incredibly traumatic for the victims, and we should do absolutely everything in our power to not only punish their abuses but also to prevent these atrocities from ever occurring. We should not, however, give a death sentence to the innocent child.
  • Committing a second violent act with abortion to a woman who has already been victimized by an act of rape or incest could physically or psychologically wound her further.
  • We should provide these women with the resources and care that they need to heal, not encourage more pain and suffering.
  • Every single child should be afforded the opportunity to live, regardless of how they were conceived.

Now, point-by-point;

Conservatives believe every single human life has inestimable dignity and inherent value.

So do liberals, you colossally dishonest fucks.

We believe in protecting the sanctity of life and defending those that cannot defend themselves.

Again, so do liberals, if we exclude the bolded word, which is an attempt to insert religion for no good reason.

Because we believe that unborn children have an inherent right to life endowed by their Creator, as the Constitution states all humans have, we believe all unborn children must be protected.

Complete horseshit.

The Constitution does not make any reference to any Creator, whatsoever. The rights it grants derive from the People, not any divine source. So that's a lie.

It also does not grant personhood to the fetus, nor has any of their arguments here done so, so they're begging the question throughout this whole piece.

The right to life in the constitution, as described in the 5th Amendment, has limits. "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law". A legal abortion that abides by legal requirements fulfills this requirement, so even if the fetus were a human life, it would still be inaccurate to claim this. Same reason the death penalty isn't against the Constitution.

Three distinct ways the sentence is horseshit. Take your pick, or use all three.

In cases of rape and incest - These are horrific incidents that are incredibly traumatic for the victims, and we should do absolutely everything in our power to not only punish their abuses but also to prevent these atrocities from ever occurring. We should not, however, give a death sentence to the innocent child.

Again, begging the question. They have not made any effort to argue that the fetus is an "innocent child", to begin with.

Worse, this isn't an argument against abortion, it's an argument that the fetus be removed intact and every effort be made to save it.

Committing a second violent act with abortion to a woman who has already been victimized by an act of rape or incest could physically or psychologically wound her further.

Medical care is not "a violent act", and it's outrageously dishonest to describe it as such.

There's something else to be said, here, but rather than double up, I'll cover it with the next bit;

We should provide these women with the resources and care that they need to heal, not encourage more pain and suffering.

You know what's "victimizing women", here? Denying them basic medical care because your religious views don't respect their rights. Which is what this bullshit pro-life attitude always boils down to, as described by themselves in their own words in this text.

What creates "pain and suffering"? Forcing women to undergo a pregnancy, created through an act of victimization, without recourse, and bearing that child to term. A pregnancy that in and of itself is more dangerous and painful and risky than the abortion you're denying them. To produce a child they do not want, that is a constant reminder of their victimization, ensuring they cannot truly start to move on from the attack for at least 9 months after it occurred.

Plus, where's your funding for these support programs? The red states passing these laws are doing less in providing such than other states.

You fucks.

Every single child should be afforded the opportunity to live, regardless of how they were conceived.

Again, definitively not a child. And you fall flat on this from the moment they're born, which makes it clear you don't really mean this, you lying, religio-fascist cocksuckers. Take your Handmaid's Tale fantasies, fold them up until they're all sharp corners, and then shove them far enough up your own collective asses that it never comes out.

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Ummm: "“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness….”"

You'll find you're quoting the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Also, it's kind of hilarious that you think it has legal merit, given that for nearly a century, the USA continued as a slave-owning state, so clearly not all men were created equal. And certainly not women, either. The Declaration of Independence is a nice message that means absolutely nothing, legally speaking.

[Nellise]

You'll find you're quoting the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Also, it's kind of hilarious that you think it has legal merit, given that for nearly a century, the USA continued as a slave-owning state, so clearly not all men were created equal. And certainly not women, either. The Declaration of Independence is a nice message that means absolutely nothing, legally speaking.

I was mostly pointing it out that they're using that specific language as a rhetorical device to link themselves to the Founding Fathers. It's not an accident they used the same phrase.

[Endus]

I was mostly pointing it out that they're using that specific language as a rhetorical device to link themselves to the Founding Fathers. It's not an accident they used the same phrase.

They specifically cited a divine origin in the Constitution for human rights.

That's factually wrong, period.

[Nellise]

They specifically cited a divine origin in the Constitution for human rights.

That's factually wrong, period.

Yes, and do you think they care? Or the people who it's aimed at care or would even know it's wrong? All they want is for that phrase to trigger people to link what they're saying with the Founders and give themselves more weight in their argument.

[Rasulis]

They are going full Saudi-Arabia now when Trump still holds presidency, and supreme court is stacked with trusted lapdogs.

Fortunately, this is not the 1950s anymore.

Women can now order abortion pill through the internet.

Online supplier of abortion pills defies FDA order to stop providing them in US

Also, access to abortion varies by states. States like Washington and Oregon do not require parental consent for minor. California has parental consent requirement which is not enforced.

Due to its proximity to the bible belt states, Illinois has become the abortion tourism central of the midwest – 5,000 to 6,000 out-of-state abortions per year. The state is so unfriendly to so called pro-life/anti abortion that it took them 15 years of lawsuit to force the state to include parental consent for minor on the book. Which the state does not bother to enforce.

Vermont House just approved H.57, a bill that states abortion is a “fundamental right” together with right to contraception, sterilization and family planning.

Health insurance policies in all of these states also cover abortion procedure, regardless of cause.