Patch 8.2 - Experience Eliminated Aura

[Gratlim]

The collateral damage is for low level twinks and dungeon farming. I can see levelers kicking twinks from LFG dungeon. One more blow against twinks after the separation of brackets in 8.1.5. Way to go Bli$$..

Can't wait for Classic to have fun again

[Maglen]

Bit late for that now isn't it?

Nothing will be done about the players that abused this function.

[Flurryfang]

So boosting characters was too much fun. You should be miserable when you level your 10th alt by doing the same 30 quests over and over again.
Also mythic+ was too fun. Pulling more than 1 group and have different paths to get through the dungeon was way too much fun.

But hey, at least all the bad stuff in BFA will be getting fixed in 8.2. Oh, wait...

Just another example of how blizzard doesnt even know whats fun or what the real problems are. Too bad they deleted all our feedback.

......Why the hell are you leveling your 10th alt, if you dislike doing repeating content? O.o

Just don't play man. Don't force yourself to do stuff you despise, especially stuff you aren't even forced to do to experience the game.

[coprax]

I support absolutely every measure blizzard takes to ruin a boost sellers life.

[Exkrementor]

......Why the hell are you leveling your 10th alt, if you dislike doing repeating content? O.o

Just don't play man. Don't force yourself to do stuff you despise, especially stuff you aren't even forced to do to experience the game.

What a stupid question.

Leveling sucks. Raiding does not. Its not about repeating content, its about that there is no alternative to doing the same quests over and over again, that were already fucking boring the first time you had to do them. This is another prime example of how blizzard forces you to play there game in one way and one way only. Punishing everybody who does something out of the ordinary.

[Flurryfang]

What a stupid question.

Leveling sucks. Raiding does not. Its not about repeating content, its about that there is no alternative to doing the same quests over and over again, that were already fucking boring the first time you had to do them. This is another prime example of how blizzard forces you to play there game in one way and one way only. Punishing everybody who does something out of the ordinary.

Its really not. You are complaining over something, that you don't have to do. If you already have 9 alts, there really should not be any content, that you can't do freely.

Leveling after that point, has nothing to do with raiding. I don't even know why you bring it up in this context xD

You are talking so much about Blizzard forcing you to do this and that, but in reality, that is just what the game is designed for. Its like complaining about driving around in cars in GTA, that you should be able to get around otherwise and that Rockstar is forcing you to behave like they want to...Like, why are you even playing at that point, if a core feature of the game, it being repeating content in WoW, is boring and tedious for you? O.o

[TheRevenantHero]

What a stupid question.

Leveling sucks. Raiding does not. Its not about repeating content, its about that there is no alternative to doing the same quests over and over again, that were already fucking boring the first time you had to do them. This is another prime example of how blizzard forces you to play there game in one way and one way only. Punishing everybody who does something out of the ordinary.

It's not a stupid question at all. Nobody has 10 characters that they raid on. Most people have MAYBE 2-3 alts. If you have a 10th character getting to max level, that's just you being bored. Bitching about how you can't boosts those alts anymore doesn't change the fact that the boosting is definitely an exploit. People should just be glad Blizzard is doing this instead of banning people.

[Unholyground]

They should make it so you can make characters at the minimum of the current expansion. Player engagement is increased if players actually want to play the game and forcing people who have dozens of characters close to or at max level to start at level 1/20 is ridiculous.

[Will]

The fact you people are all arguing about this change is pointless. What's done is done. Don't like it? Take your issue to Blizzard. Complaining here won't change anything. Telling us you don't like this change is all well and good, but stop trying to waste time convincing other people that they are somehow wrong.

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It's simple: they disabled cheat leveling. Naturally there's an uproar!

cheating implies dishonesty or unfairness. No part of the rules of the game specifically say how you're supposed to level, nor specifically say that levelling by boosting is against said rules. So the fact it's not intended does not make it the same as cheating. Cheating implies dishonourable action.

[Poe]

The fact you people are all arguing about this change is pointless. What's done is done. Don't like it? Take your issue to Blizzard. Complaining here won't change anything. Telling us you don't like this change is all well and good, but stop trying to waste time convincing other people that they are somehow wrong.

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cheating implies dishonesty or unfairness. No part of the rules of the game specifically say how you're supposed to level, nor specifically say that levelling by boosting is against said rules. So the fact it's not intended does not make it the same as cheating. Cheating implies dishonourable action.

I think discussion is fine. That's what these forums are for, anyways.

Telling people not to discuss and debate about controversial wow topics on a wow forum is nonsense.

[Boricha]

I feel like people are going to troll in LFG with this debuff.

[tmamass]

So boosting characters was too much fun. You should be miserable when you level your 10th alt by doing the same 30 quests over and over again.

you can level by questing, dungeons, bgs, islands and pet battle pvp. if you don the same quest over and over again thats a you problem


Less spam in trade, so its a good change imho.

[Exgeko]

Well, even cheaters get a buff quicker than my feral ... :') Ty blizzard, you made my day

[jpd]

I wonder how much time and resource they wasted on this band aid fix, instead of the the real problem. Nobody wants to spend 10 mindless hours leveling alts when the class your levelling gains no new abilities/talents. In fact if your alt was using legion legendary's you get to slowly watch the class become more dull once u pass level 105 when they become inactive. 10/10 fix lmao.

[Exkrementor]

Its really not. You are complaining over something, that you don't have to do. If you already have 9 alts, there really should not be any content, that you can't do freely.

Leveling after that point, has nothing to do with raiding. I don't even know why you bring it up in this context xD

You are talking so much about Blizzard forcing you to do this and that, but in reality, that is just what the game is designed for. Its like complaining about driving around in cars in GTA, that you should be able to get around otherwise and that Rockstar is forcing you to behave like they want to...Like, why are you even playing at that point, if a core feature of the game, it being repeating content in WoW, is boring and tedious for you? O.o

You dont need 10 characters to hate leveling. Remember WoD, where there were more than 3 questing zones? You could do quests, collect treasures, do bonus objectives or stand in your garrison and do one xp mission per day. That was good leveling. BFA leveling sucks and blizzard destroyed one of the ways to escape it.

The game is not designed for leveling. Leveling is just a method to nerf all your gear and stats. Its about the endgame.

And some people need more than 1 char for raiding for setup purposes. Crazy right?

Also people calling this boost method an exploit? I bet they think that boosting people in raids and mythic+ is also an exploit. Fucking hell, people nowadays...

[Marrilaife]

I support absolutely every measure blizzard takes to ruin a boost sellers life.

Best way to do it is to make the game fun, so people wouldn't be interested in "pay to skip".

Oh wait, modern gaming design is rotten to the core by the influences of mobile and f2p games that are irritating to play to push people towards "pay to skip" and "pay for convenience".

Whole token system relies on people buying gold in the first place for their irl $$$ and what do they spend extortionate amounts of gold? Overpriced vendor mounts and boosts... mostly boosts. Gold generation got also strangulated to the point only people making money are full time boosters and full time ah flippers, rest can go buy a token... haha.

Boosters exist because there's a customer base, if people stop being interested in being carried through content for the rewards instead of actually playing the content, boosters will have to pack up and go home.

But nope, the whole game design is reward driven and not gameplay driven. Everyone from meager world quester or lfr player to the top tier pvper or hardcore raider or m+ pusher plays the game for the rewards of various kind, not for the "fun and challenge", don't get deceived when anyone claims it's for "fun and challenge", any tweak to the reward system anywhere in the pyramid and you can see clearly it's 100% about chasing the carrot as the uproar starts. And the people pay to skip to the carrot right away, so we have market for boosts.

[Dirros1]

Let’s copy and paste the meaning from Wikipedoa shall we, so at least it’s easy to understand:

“In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, speed or level design etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.”

Levelling in this way isn’t how the developers intended, hence it’s an exploit. If they didn’t mind they wouldn’t have implemented this change, but they have. It’s an exploit to the levelling system and they changed it. Banging on about them not doing anything during Legion is pointless because this isn’t Legion, so whoever’s decision to not change anything then has either changed their mind on the matter or the person in that role has changed and has a different view. Regardless, levelling system exploit got changed, the end.

Oh oh happy it makes me when people don't use logic in their statements. Let's unravel the two points in which you failed to do so.

1) "Leveling in this way isn't how the developers intended, hence it's an exploit." "Just because the devs did not intend you to level in a certain way, doesn't make something an exploit. For example, that guy who always goes to max level by herbalism only in the Pandaren starting zone. The devs did not intend on anyone to level that way, but it is still not an exploit.

2) Technically, boosting others with a BiS geared 110 is neither unintended nor gives anyone an advantage (hence not withing your definition of an exploit.) That is an absolutely intentional part of the games mechanics. They intended the world to scale to the players level, in an instance or outdoors, and intended for characters with superior gear to perform better. The system that stopped players from gaining experience was also never intended (until now) to stop others in your group from gaining full experience.

Hence, disabling experience and boosting people with a lower level character was in fact NOT an exploit. Blizzard also never considered it as one, they never suspended anyone for it, for these very reasons I stated in part two above. From now on though, it will be considered an exploit if you somehow find a way to give full experience to your party members when you have disabled experience

[Kaver]

Not at all - because that’s something that’s intended (as it’s a sold service). Having a lower level character with XP gain turned off boosting you so you can clear 110-120 is something that’s clearly not intended, thus it’s exploiting one system in favour of another. Is it bannable? Apparently not. Is it something that’s being fixed? Yes.

I was mostly referring to the “play the game properly”-part. I just think Blizzard and their approach to leveling is a joke. The fact that you can skip the leveling with money shows that it is not an important part of the game anymore. It just an annoying barrier now that you need to pay to skip. Leveling is like standing in queues for the rides in amusement parks. They should let people skip leveling for free (or remove leveling from the game) as we are already paying a subscription.

In legion you could skip leveling by transferring resources from your main to your alts. I’m not sure that was intented by Blizzard originally.

[Arakakao]

People do this because leveling in BfA is torture. Blizzard, instead of making leveling fun just kills off the shortcut. And they wonder why people leaves the game...

[Dirros1]

Let’s copy and paste the meaning from Wikipedoa shall we, so at least it’s easy to understand:

“In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, speed or level design etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.”

Levelling in this way isn’t how the developers intended, hence it’s an exploit. If they didn’t mind they wouldn’t have implemented this change, but they have. It’s an exploit to the levelling system and they changed it. Banging on about them not doing anything during Legion is pointless because this isn’t Legion, so whoever’s decision to not change anything then has either changed their mind on the matter or the person in that role has changed and has a different view. Regardless, levelling system exploit got changed, the end.

Oh oh happy it makes me when people don't use logic in their statements. Let's unravel the two points in which you failed to do so.

1) "Leveling in this way isn't how the developers intended, hence it's an exploit." "Just because the devs did not intend you to level in a certain way, doesn't make something an exploit. For example, that guy who always goes to max level by herbalism only in the Pandaren starting zone. The devs did not intend on anyone to level that way, but it is still not an exploit.

2) Technically, boosting others with a BiS geared 110 is neither unintended nor gives anyone an advantage (hence not withing your definition of an exploit.) That is an absolutely intentional part of the games mechanics. They intended the world to scale to the players level, in an instance or outdoors, and intended for characters with superior gear to perform better. The system that stopped players from gaining experience was also never intended (until now) to stop others in your group from gaining full experience.

Hence, disabling experience and boosting people with a lower level character was in fact NOT an exploit. Blizzard also never considered it as one, they never suspended anyone for it, for these very reasons I stated in part two above. From now on though, it will be considered an exploit if you somehow find a way to give full experience to your party members when you have disabled experience