Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Felya]

Why should I care about the analysis of a random old musician? His political analysis has always been superficial at best.

Because it’s not that different than getting analysis from random internet posters? I hate to break it to you, but none of us on this forum are qualified either.

[kaelleria]

https://www.axios.com/us-sanctions-r...528f52ee6.html

U.S. sanctions are losing their bite

Russia's booming stock market and currency, China's second quarter bounce and Nicolás Maduro's ability to hold power in Venezuela this year have all flown directly in the face of conventional wisdom about the power of the U.S. to cajole bad actors on the international stage through sanctions.

Why it matters: As the Trump administration mulls further punitive actions on China, Iran and a growing list of countries, there's growing evidence the U.S. is losing its coercive power.

That's been particularly notable in the case of Russia, which has been delivering solid returns to investors, despite facing U.S. sanctions for years.

Russia's stock market is booming this year, near record highs in ruble terms, with investors expecting fresh all-time highs by year-end.
Its ruble currency rose to its highest value against the dollar in 10 months last week.
Russian GDP is growing and its unemployment rate is near a historic low.
"They're supporting their economy by adjusting who they're trading with and the markets that they're going into," Chris Gaffney, president of world markets at TIAA Bank, tells Axios. "We're seeing some of that with China too, where China is establishing more trade with Europe because of the ongoing trade spat with the U.S."

Gaffney says this has also been true of Iran and Venezuela, which were expected to crumble under the weight of U.S. economic sanctions earlier this year.
What to watch: The common thread is China, which has become the top trading partner with many of the world's countries and essentially ignores U.S. sanctions. Russia is in talks with Iran and has deepened its trading relationship with China while it profits from cheap Venezuelan oil imports the rest of the world is barred from receiving.

This could color the reaction Trump gets from China, Turkey and Iran at this week's G-20 meetings.

It's almost like if you unilaterally throw sanctions at countries they'll find other trading partners...

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...nge-could-hurt

TRUMP LOVES FARMERS! Except when the USDA refuses to publicize research on the effects of climate change on farmers because it's not good for the farmers.

He's looking out for them by keeping them ignorant of information that's crucial to them smartly operating their businesses and planning for longterm success. Like any good businessman, clearly.

[Felya]

I’m here to debate people. I’m not getting my analysis from sites like this. Weird that you do.

It’s far more weird that you debate people, without getting their analysis. What are you even debating? Assumptions of what others are saying?

[Breccia]

It's almost like if you unilaterally throw sanctions at countries they'll find other trading partners...

To be fair, I think the idea is, you don't just penalize Iran, you penalize everyone who does business with Iran. Problem is, I don't think we're doing that second part very well.

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He's looking out for them by keeping them ignorant of information

See...here's the thing.

Most people look out for their own business. Farmers know there's a problem. Lying to them is stupid.

[Fugus]

See...here's the thing.

Most people look out for their own business. Farmers know there's a problem. Lying to them is stupid.

Some do, a surprising number don't when it comes to climate change, they will look at how things are going that season but don't look long term and just assume it will continue similar to how they remember it.

So while they are finally wising up to the trade war because it is hitting them pretty quick and directly, the climate change party, many don't see.

I actually have a friend who is a huge Trump supporter who is actually about to try and move to Montana onto a farm and start doing it. Warned him that the trade war is hurting them hardcore and that it will take decades to actually fix due to all the people he ran off so if he does, he better do it on stuff that he knows will be bought locally. Haven't managed to talk to him in a while but from what I know, they are still trying to move.

[Bodakane]

See...here's the thing.

Most people look out for their own business. Farmers know there's a problem. Lying to them is stupid.

WADR, its not stupid because it is worked and is still working, they continue to support him.

[Dontrike]

Trump's effort to get all your money.
Just the wording on this is kinda predatory for the less than intelligent...

You can even make it a monthly subscription.

And that right there is why Trump being a billionaire is so unbelievable. If he was he could afford about 20 election campaigns, and yet he needs to get that $20 from grandma who can barely afford two bushels of apples.

[Felya]

You seem confused. See, I’m not citing their analysis anywhere as quality analysis(as was the case with the musician). You’re going off on this weird tangent to be right about something that is incredibly silly. Good luck with that.

Here is a fun question... what am I right about? You think am on a tangent to be right about something. What is this something?

[D Luniz]

And that right there is why Trump being a billionaire is so unbelievable. If he was he could afford about 20 election campaigns, and yet he needs to get that $20 from grandma who can barely afford two bushels of apples.

"I didnt become rich by spending my money, I became rich by spending all of your money."- Every rich conman ever

[Felya]

As far as this is concerned you aren’t right. It’s funny you don’t even know what you’re trying to prove though.

Well... no shit... I don’t know what I’m right or wrong about... it’s why I asked... I never made a claim to be right or wrong. That’s why your assertion don’t make any sense... I will ask again... what is it that you think I’m wrong or right about? Bizarre... just... bizarre...

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"I didnt become rich by spending my money, I became rich by spending all of your money."- Every rich conman ever

Trump did both, his daddy’s money and then the tax payer.

[Felya]

I said you were attempting to be right that there’s some kind of equivalence between my debating posters on here and holding up a washed up musician as a source for political insight when you aren’t. Especially when that washed up musician has such a superficial grasp of politics. All caught up now?

Now describe forum posters, with similar angst. I don’t think there is much angst. Jello ran for office, both for mayor of San Francisco and was primaried by Nader in his run for president. His music is extremely political... It’s also kinda funny interesting to hear perspective... talking shit about Palosi, before agreeing with her... is kind of fun.

[Adam Jensen]

There's no way Donald Trump raped E. Jean Carroll, after all, "she's not his type."

I mean, he would have raped her if she was his type though.

[Mayhem]

There's no way Donald Trump raped E. Jean Carroll, after all, "she's not his type."

I mean, he would have raped her if she was his type though.

And a good wtf to you too sir.

[draynay]

Care to think a bit and try again? This post makes zero sense. Many people run for office in Cali. It doesn’t mean shit about their qualifications.

So we're just shit posting about California now?

[Paranoid Android]

There's no way Donald Trump raped E. Jean Carroll, after all, "she's not his type."

I mean, he would have raped her if she was his type though.

I mean this is why we have this thread.

He couldn't give some benign comment, instead his ego and narcissism not caring about the seriousness of rape, but all about superficial looks.

[Breccia]

The White House blocks Conway from testifying regarding her multiple Hatch Act violations, claiming "long-standing precedent".

"Basically, the OSC never recommends people be fired, so there's no reason for this to be any different," they didn't say but I'm pretending they did. "Besides, why start following the rules now? If Trump fired everyone who acted poorly and made him look bad, we'd have a record-breaking number of acting staff in the White House."

[Dontrike]

The White House blocks Conway from testifying regarding her multiple Hatch Act violations, claiming "long-standing precedent".

"Basically, the OSC never recommends people be fired, so there's no reason for this to be any different," they didn't say but I'm pretending they did. "Besides, why start following the rules now? If Trump fired everyone who acted poorly and made him look bad, we'd have a record-breaking number of acting staff in the White House."

If Trump fired anyone for breaking rules he'd have some semblance of competency.

[Flarelaine]

Nope. I’m shitposting about porn stars and midgets running for office. Nothing wrong with Cali letting them on the ballot, but being on the ballot doesn’t mean you have any special political qualifications.

They still have nothing on Nevada's dead pimp.

[Dontrike]

He... he thanked himself...

And all the while most people don't see any benefit from the stock market doing well. Yay......