Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Vankrys]

Yeah, yeah, yeah... anything bad: Trump did it, anything good: Trump inherited it from Obama. We're not really breaking any new ground here.

well, here is the thing, for the conservatives, it's the opposite, Trump can never be wrong, and obama was the devil incarnate. We even had a poster here with devil horned obama as avatar.

But if we try to be somewhat fair, we would say that the economic policy start its impact only in the second year, the first year being the continuation of the previous administration. and frankly, this is Trump 2nd year

[Mormolyce]

It appears that our Great President has overcome other catastrophes in his life besides the disaster that Obama left behind.

LOL.

In fact, year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer, The Times found when it compared his results with detailed information the I.R.S. compiles on an annual sampling of high-income earners. His core business losses in 1990 and 1991 — more than $250 million each year — were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ump-taxes.html

Donald Trump paid no income taxes in 8 of the 10 years we examined. His losses were so big that in 1991 they accounted for fully 1% of all business losses declared that year by individual American taxpayers.

https://twitter.com/susannecraig/sta...97482821677057

Hey Sulla, when you lie to yourself does anyone believe you? Because it sure isn't working when you lie to others.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah... anything bad: Trump did it, anything good: Trump inherited it from Obama. We're not really breaking any new ground here.

Maybe you should take it up with your dear leader:

"I've been around a long time. And it just seems the economy does better under the Democrats than under Republicans."
-Trump, 2004
https://theweek.com/speedreads/56105...nder-democrats

[Mormolyce]

I'm not sure what I lied about. All you did is repost the same shit that everyone that's read the NYT article is well aware of. Why don't you go make a thread about it for me to report?

Also, words like "appears" and "nearly" are the hallmark of a reporter that is afraid to actually commit to their statements for fear of legal repercussions.

All in all, more nonsense no one cares about but people already suffering from TDS. If anything, it makes me like him more knowing that he's remained successful in life despite suffering tremendous setbacks. Makes more sense of how he's masterfully handled an increasingly deranged Democratic party that can't similarly handle losing with grace as he can.

I'll tell you who comes off sounding deranged on the topic of Trump LOL.

You're in here furiously denying the evidence of your own eyes and ears because it would make your dear orange daddy look bad.

[Mormolyce]

What have I denied? Do you know what that word means?

You want me to post it again? Okay.

In fact, year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer, The Times found when it compared his results with detailed information the I.R.S. compiles on an annual sampling of high-income earners. His core business losses in 1990 and 1991 — more than $250 million each year — were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ump-taxes.html

Donald Trump paid no income taxes in 8 of the 10 years we examined. His losses were so big that in 1991 they accounted for fully 1% of all business losses declared that year by individual American taxpayers.

https://twitter.com/susannecraig/sta...97482821677057

[draynay]

Why don't you go make a thread about it for me to report?

I don't think the moderators are here just to help with your petty vendettas.

[Poopymonster]

I don't think the moderators are here just to help with your petty vendettas.

THat's Where you mAy be baRking up the wrong Tree.

[Cerilis]

Put them in the megathread so they can be burrowed under derailment and nobody reads them. Sounds like a plan.

[rda]

Put them in the megathread so they can be burrowed under derailment and nobody reads them. Sounds like a plan.

Put them in the megathread to avoid spamming the forum.

The only reason new threads like this suddenly started popping up outside of the megathread is that the anti-Trump folk in the megathread were systematically dismantled and reduced to crying "you are not replying in good faith / you are paid to troll here / I am not listening to you". This is the only reason. Before this happened, all this news-quoting was going into the megathread.

[Dontrike]

I don't think the moderators are here just to help with your petty vendettas.

Not all of them, just one particular.

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The person I was replying to has a recent history of spamming the politics board with threads that clearly belong in the megathread. I've reported and had several of them rightfully closed. So, go on thinking whatever you want about what the moderators are or aren't here to do.

They made my Trump Bear look bad, therefore I have to get them closed!

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Put them in the megathread to avoid spamming the forum.

The only reason new threads like this suddenly started popping up outside of the megathread is that the anti-Trump folk in the megathread were systematically dismantled and reduced to crying "you are not replying in good faith / you are paid to troll here / I am not listening to you". This is the only reason. Before this happened, all this news-quoting was going into the megathread.

Or....and this might be difficult for you, but separating them allows for discussion on that specific topic and not getting buried. We know you hate it when Trump looks bad but it's no one's fault but his own that so much shit falls out of his presidency.

[Daelak]

I haven't denied that Trump apparently had some challenging fiscal years, 3 decades ago. Show me where I denied it.

Drawing a conclusion that he remained successful and wealthy despite all of that, is nowhere near denial.

Minus his political career, show me a single American that isn't already a multi-billionaire that wouldn't trade places with him in an instant if they could.

And for someone like me that supports him mostly for court appointments, I could give a shit about his personal finances to begin with. I'm sure some Democrats will try to say that his personal finances were evidence to the contrary of his "businessman" approach to running the country, but that ship has already sailed. He already has a successful economy to run on. So good luck with any of that.

We dont know if he is successful and wealthy. We have to go by his word, since he hasnt released his tax returns, and US banks have blacklisted him since his casino bankruptcies. We do know that he has a 900 million dollar loan from Deutschebank, and several seven figure real estate transactions from Russian oligarchs spanning 30 years.

[Dontrike]

Minus his political career, show me a single American that isn't already a multi-billionaire that wouldn't trade places with him in an instant if they could.

*raises hand*

Who wants to be Trump? I'd much rather know basic math and not be billions in the hole with the only thing worth a damn on me is my name and the fake gold toilets in a shitty hotel that can barely pass health inspections.

[Dontrike]

Okay, guy. If anything, this mindless exaggeration points to your inability to make rational decisions.

You're right, it would be crazy of me to NOT want to be a 72+ year old man with a wife that hates him, no friends nor allies unless he can do something for them, billions of dollars in debt, dozens of investigations that prove he did something illegal, have fantasies about his own daughter, the entire world thinking of him as a laughing stock, easily ranked in the bottom five presidents of all time, and being unable to write sentences with any correct grammar.

Wow, now that I read that again you are so right. Who wouldn't want that?

[Daelak]

There is a sea of financial details out there on Trump besides what you've listed here. You don't need someone's tax returns to know with reasonable confidence whether they're wealthy or solvent.

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Okay, guy. If anything, this mindless exaggeration points to your inability to make rational decisions.

Of course you do, especially if said person has been effectively blacklisted by US banks probably due to insolvency and deceptive financial statements.

[rda]

You're right, it would be crazy of me to NOT want to be a 72+ year old man with a wife that hates him, no friends nor allies unless he can do something for them, billions of dollars in debt, dozens of investigations that prove he did something illegal, have fantasies about his own daughter, the entire world thinking of him as a laughing stock, easily ranked in the bottom five presidents of all time, and being unable to write sentences with any correct grammar.

Wow, now that I read that again you are so right. Who wouldn't want that?

Would you like to be Hillary then? I mean, according to your logic, if you answer that no, you don't want to be her, then she must be terrible.

Seriously, your posts just do not make a lot of sense. You are like a child trying to participate in talks of adults - you have nothing to say, but you really want attention, so you end up saying something silly and non-sensical (and too often and too loud).

[Dontrike]

There is a sea of financial details out there on Trump besides what you've listed here. You don't need someone's tax returns to know with reasonable confidence whether they're wealthy or solvent.

You do if they're the fucking president. There's no reason for Trump to hide his taxes if he did nothing wrong. The only people that hide their taxes this much are mob bosses and people who definitely did something illegal, but why use logic like that when we can take Trump's fake gold toilets as proof he has money. Do tell why it's okay for him to hide them this much and how it's totally normal behavior to go to such lengths to hide them.

[Dontrike]

Would you like to be Hillary then? I mean, according to your logic, if you answer that no, you don't want to be her, then she must be terrible.

That's some butt fucking dumb whataboutism. "Well if you don't want to be Trump then surely you want to be another random person!" So. Fucking. Stupid.

Look, I suck as a person. I'm a complete waste of space, but there's no one I want to be.

Here's some whataboutism for you too, since apparently we're doing that right now. You don't know that "all" and "most" are not synonyms so surely you must not know that mustard and ketchup are not the same. Look! I can do it too!

As for your dumb ass whataboutism question. No, I don't want to be Hillary. I don't like her. She was a far better choice than Trump, seeing as she knows basic math and can say the word "origin" for only a couple reasons, but she was mostly actually qualified for the position with her years of experience. Again, I don't like her, I didn't vote for her nor Trump, as I didn't like one and fucking hated the orange baboon. And before you go "har har, yeah right" I don't praise Hillary on here constantly, only thing I'll say is that she was the far better choice over the orange idiot that doesn't even know how tariffs work nor knows Puerto Rico is part of the U.S.

[Daelak]

Prove the insolvency.

Trump Organization as to this day do not have loans from any US bank. The latest public information is that his children have demand deposit accounts at Capital One. Imagine being an underwriter at a US bank and seeing an outstanding 900 million dollar balance at a foreign bank, and then a 10 billion dollar asset that just says "goodwill" or "brand value".

[Daelak]

Okay? And...?

It means he cant even pass the smell test by US underwriters. If hes having trouble paying off a 900 million dollar loan, that means his monthly cash flow is insufficient for both the interest expense and the operations of his company, which is why they mainly go for licensing deals rather than full scale real estate development; no one trusts him and his financial statement is a sham.

[Beazy]

It will all come out soon. For like the past 10 years, only Deutsche bank will loan money to Trump. And seeing how Deutsche bank is raided like every three weeks, the data is there, we're just waiting on a leak. . . not even trying to be funny either, they are literally raided every 3 to 4 weeks by various Countries intel and investigation bureaus, i still have no idea how they are still in business.

[Elegiac]

Lol @ Sulla trying to downplay the fact the horse he backed is the biggest fiscal loser of the 1980s. This is almost as good as the Moore backpedaling.

I can’t wait until a few years from now when everyone starts denying they ever voted for Trump in the first place. Will be a repeat of Dubya.