Sylvanas Most powerful lore character?

[Verdugo]

This is not Doom, and the truly powerful entities cannot be killed by shotguns. What, do you think that a simple shotgun could kill N'Zoth, Kil'jaeden, Archimonde, Sargeras, Helya, Odyn, Bwonsamdi, Deathwing, or even Lei Shen?

Depends on the ammo count.

[Tyrathius]

Thrall with his shaman powers is far stronger.
Jaina is stronger
Malfurion is stronger
Lich King is stronger
Queen azshara is stronger
Velen is stronger
Meryl Felstorm is stronger
Aethas Sunreaver is stronger
Grand Magister Rommath is stronger
Ritssyn Flamescowl might be stronger

She is really not the strongest in a fair fight, altho she will also not get into a situation like that because she is (should be) one of the smartest characters around.

Even this is a very generous list because it assumes Sylvanas is better than any other character who relies mostly on martial prowess like she does (Alleria, Turalyon, Saurfang, Tyrande, Varian etc.)

Granted, there's not really any way to be sure in that scenario since we haven't seen her fight any of those characters, but I'd still doubt she's at the top.

[Raetary]

She got killed by some random dungeon boss with a gun. It's safe to assume she's not.

She was shot in the back of her head by some dude that stood just inches away from her.
You can put literally any other leader and that position and they'd have died.

She obviously isn't the strongest character, but that's a terrible scenario to pick as an argument.

[MatthiasVonTzeskagrad]

This is not Doom, and the truly powerful entities cannot be killed by shotguns. What, do you think that a simple shotgun could kill N'Zoth, Kil'jaeden, Archimonde, Sargeras, Helya, Odyn, Bwonsamdi, Deathwing, or even Lei Shen?

You know what? Most of these would die to shotgun to the head, or at least as physical manifestations.
Leí Shen, Kil'jaeden, Odin and Archimonde just require something of enough caliber to pierce their skulls to get rekt, wich is perfectly achievable considering we can hurt those with normal weapons.
Bwonsamdi and Helya get insta-banished. Beating their spirits gets trickier because these sort of creatures seem to resuscitate by themselves.
Only thing saving Sargeras and N'Zoth is scale, although an imprisoned N'Zoth could get fucked as well.
Deathwing is cheating because he actually is covered in panzer armor, thus required Thrall to melta gun him down.
By the way, you could substitute shotgun to the head with most other weapons and the result is the same. Creatures of WoW are powerful, rather than resistant.

[Varodoc]

You know what? Most of these would die to shotgun to the head, or at least as physical manifestations.
Leí Shen, Kil'jaeden, Odin and Archimonde just require something of enough caliber to pierce their skulls to get rekt, wich is perfectly achievable considering we can hurt those with normal weapons.
Bwonsamdi and Helya get insta-banished. Beating their spirits gets trickier because these sort of creatures seem to resuscitate by themselves.
Only thing saving Sargeras and N'Zoth is scale, although an imprisoned N'Zoth could get fucked as well.
Deathwing is cheating because he actually is covered in panzer armor, thus required Thrall to melta gun him down.
By the way, you could substitute shotgun to the head with most other weapons and the result is the same. Creatures of WoW are powerful, rather than resistant.

Most of those are also planet busters, which Sylvanas clearly isn't, thus making her much weaker.

Also, Odyn, Archimonde, Kil'jaeden, Lei Shen, and Helya can just turn into giants, so good luck finding a shotgun strong enough to pierce the skull of a World Tree-sized 25.000+ years old Eredar empowered by Satan himself.

[Newname1234567890]

No. Not even remotely.

[MatthiasVonTzeskagrad]

Most of those are also planet busters, which Sylvanas clearly isn't, thus making her much weaker.

Also, Odyn, Archimonde, Kil'jaeden, Lei Shen, and Helya can just turn into giants, so good luck finding a shotgun strong enough to pierce the skull of a World Tree-sized 25.000 years old Eredar empowered by Satan himself.

Never implied that Sylvanas is more powerful than any of those. My point was, it's pretty bullshit implying someone is weak when it can be killed by something as ordinary as a weapon wielded by a dude, because many many things get killed by dudes wielding weapons.

Basically implies more shots, the matter of their heads does not really change, and in WoW power ups consist mostly on size, ignoring pain, more magic and physical strength. What saves those guys at that point is once again scale. And still, in a vacuum, you could keep shooting the brain until the damage is lethal.

However, at the end this matters little, as Blizz suffers from comic book syndrome, and thus it doesn't really matter who theoretically is stronger, if they want Greymane to kill a fully unleashed and empowered N'Zoth, it happens no matter what the logic demands, even if you see him losing to Lorthemar one cinematic alone, and struggling to kill a kobold before that.

If you ask me, we don't know yet the most powerful WoW entity, it will be some random Void lord or light thing whose mere existence in the physical universe would turn it to crap yet we'll beat it in its own terrain with 10-25 guys.

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

You know what? Most of these would die to shotgun to the head, or at least as physical manifestations.
Leí Shen, Kil'jaeden, Odin and Archimonde just require something of enough caliber to pierce their skulls to get rekt, wich is perfectly achievable considering we can hurt those with normal weapons.
Bwonsamdi and Helya get insta-banished. Beating their spirits gets trickier because these sort of creatures seem to resuscitate by themselves.
Only thing saving Sargeras and N'Zoth is scale, although an imprisoned N'Zoth could get fucked as well.
Deathwing is cheating because he actually is covered in panzer armor, thus required Thrall to melta gun him down.
By the way, you could substitute shotgun to the head with most other weapons and the result is the same. Creatures of WoW are powerful, rather than resistant.

Given that Lei Shen and Odin are stone/metal, you'll probably need much more than you usual shotgun.

[Sunderella]

Even this is a very generous list because it assumes Sylvanas is better than any other character who relies mostly on martial prowess like she does (Alleria, Turalyon, Saurfang, Tyrande, Varian etc.)

Granted, there's not really any way to be sure in that scenario since we haven't seen her fight any of those characters, but I'd still doubt she's at the top.

Well she fought Genn and didnt loose.

[Itori]

I dunno, Sargeras is the literal devil with planets of demons under his control, not to mention shoved a giant sword in the planet, and to my knowledge hes not dead.

[Wildmoon]

In game doesn't reflect lore as much as the books. Seems weird but it's true. In "A Good War" Sylvanas was knocking Malfurion around pretty badly. The way Saurfang found him was when Malfurion got hit by some kind of dark energy explosion and was hurled into a bunch of trees. He was hurt bad enough that all Saurfang did was throw his axe at him and it almost finished him off.

Nah.. In that short the fight is not detailed. Malfurion was about to resume the fight after the explosion then Saufang backstabbed him. In game, she got beaten pretty badly ganging up on him.

[Thetruth1400]

Hello,

do you think sylvanas has become the most powerful lore charcter current in wow? She has Banshee skills, can raise death. Nobody could stop her.

No. She's had those skills and died twice as the Banshee queen, already, not even counting her death as a Blood Elf. The only reason she even exists is because of her Valkyr bringing her back and she has exactly one more death they can bring her back from.

Lorewise, she's actually middle to low tier in terms of big named characters. She'd probably lose to about half of the other race leaders and definitely to some of the other big names like Khadgar, dragon aspects, and probably even at least one of her sisters.

[Rozz]

Oh, no she isn't even near being the most powerful 'mortal'. But she isn't as weak as alot of people here are saying. Unless someone has magic plot armor (aka the Light, or magic abilities that let them instant kill people) she'd be a dangerous opponent. Her archery is rivaled by very few, the magic she knows as a banshee and dark ranger is an incredibly lethal mix, and she has the basic bonuses most high ranking undead have (even though she can die from a bullet, while a Forsaken can get bisected and survive?).

But she's still not even in top 10. There are a lot of characters to consider beforehand. I'm sure Galakrond--a beastly ungifted protodrake-- could wipe the entire main cast. They're far from the highest end.

[Budong]

Nah.. In that short the fight is not detailed. Malfurion was about to resume the fight after the explosion then Saufang backstabbed him. In game, she got beaten pretty badly ganging up on him.

You see or don't see what you want to.

"There was a tremendous explosion of darkness, and then a rising sound of collapsing trees. Saurfang ducked behind cover as an object flew through the air, bouncing off tree trunks before slamming to a halt in the dirt only thirty feet away."

The object was Malfurion.

To me, that sounds like an ass whippin'.

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She was portrayed as losing against Malfurion in a duel both in the book and in game

This is absolutely objectively wrong. In game it seemed that way...in the book it was quite different.

[Wildmoon]

You see or don't see what you want to.

"There was a tremendous explosion of darkness, and then a rising sound of collapsing trees. Saurfang ducked behind cover as an object flew through the air, bouncing off tree trunks before slamming to a halt in the dirt only thirty feet away."

The object was Malfurion.

To me, that sounds like an ass whippin'.

It was not. That was DBZ style push. Malfurion was about to resume the fight immedietly before Saurfang backstabbed him. The part was like a sliver of the fight. It was not detailed in the short.

[Mikazukinoyaiba]

She's garbage compared to other leaders like Tyrande, Jaina etc. She's not even close. She will get her power ups so she can actually be a threat as a raid boss though.

Night empowered dark warrior Tyrande is weaker than Nathanos, and Sylvanas is probably stronger than Nat.

[tromage2]

Night empowered dark warrior Tyrande is weaker than Nathanos, and Sylvanas is probably stronger than Nat.

Its also has alot to do with what plotarmor the blizzard lore team gives to characters.
Like Jaina has the biggest lore plotarmor in BfA above all others, she can just keep bubble and teleport anywhere.

In BfA Jaina is the strongest character around because of blizzard plotarmor.

[Amaterasu65]

Night empowered dark warrior Tyrande is weaker than Nathanos, and Sylvanas is probably stronger than Nat.

See? This is exactly what I'm talking about.

[Sorshen]

This is absolutely objectively wrong. In game it seemed that way...in the book it was quite different.

Please, Malfurion is several tiers in power above her.

Night empowered dark warrior Tyrande is weaker than Nathanos, and Sylvanas is probably stronger than Nat.

We don' talk about the Darkshore shit-show. Nathanos is a writer self-insert. You could argue that a random Valkyr is stroger than a Horde leader tho.

[Verdugo]

Please, Malfurion is several tiers in power above her.

Then why was he losing.

We don' talk about the Darkshore shit-show. Nathanos is a writer self-insert. You could argue that a random Valkyr is stroger than a Horde leader tho.

Question is, was it because Nathanos is a self-insert, or because writers hate Tyrande? Because Nathanos has an embarassing streak otherwise.