So where them layers at?

[Thereturn]

All that BS about their new tech and mini-servers within servers.
Where is it? Why am i looking at a 20.000 que?
Wasnt the magic layer tech going to diminish Blizzards famous bukake launches?

[Big Thanks]

Someone read the recent interview and can maybe shed some light?

I didnt read it, but the author said they (the queues) were "on purpose"....for whatever reason.

[Nehezbegar]

It may be that the layering is designed to work within the server context, not to alleviate the queues, but spread out ppl that are logged in on the server already.

[Big Thanks]

It may be that the layering is designed to work within the server context, not to alleviate the queues, but spread out ppl that are logged in on the server already.

Or maybe this is Blizzard trying to keep their promise of removing layering in Phase 2.
Probably the case.

[Moggers1990]

Pretty stupid thing to ask and even make a thread about.
The layering doesn't create "mini-servers within servers". It's basically sharding once you're in the game so instead of having 5000 people in the starting area you're "layered" with a much smaller amount of people.

It was never to help queue times, that was always going to be a thing, especially when you choose to be on servers with streamers for fuck-knows what reason or even when you pick a server that was marked as full since name reservation.

[Akka]

The layers are not the problem.
The fact that Blizzard was deaf to the warnings that they were MASSIVELY underestimating the initial rush is.
Their take on that each server must have a limited number of layers to be able to not be overpopulated when the layers would be merged is sound.
Their idea that somehow, 10 servers would be enough for a whole continent wasn't.

[Big Thanks]

Pretty stupid thing to ask and even make a thread about.
The layering doesn't create "mini-servers within servers". It's basically sharding once you're in the game so instead of having 5000 people in the starting area you're "layered" with a much smaller amount of people.

It was never to help queue times, that was always going to be a thing, especially when you choose to be on servers with streamers for fuck-knows what reason or even when you pick a server that was marked as full since name reservation.

But the server population is on "medium"...
How can a medium pop realm have 1 hour queues?

Didnt update the information yet and is actually high?

[Biomega]

Queues exist primarily for one purpose: to manage overall server populations. Queues are as much intended to reign in populations for technical reasons (server capacity) as they are meant to be a deterrent against everyone rolling on one ginormous server. Layering plays into this in a number of ways, but most notably, their plan is to remove layering at some point - which means that at that point, the server needs to be at a reasonable population level, or the removal of layers would flood it into oblivion.

If your server is consistently showing massive queues, that might be your cue to select a different, less populated server.

EDIT: Of course, the launch hype is a whole different thing, as even smaller servers will have massive queues because everyone and their brother are trying to get on at the same time. Once the hype dies down, this won't be the case.

[Ghostile]

But the server population is on "medium"...
How can a medium pop realm have 1 hour queues?

Didnt update the information yet and is actually high?

Server status updates related to other realms. A realm that is medium compared to the largest Full servers can still be over the cap it can handle.

[Bigbazz]

All that BS about their new tech and mini-servers within servers.
Where is it? Why am i looking at a 20.000 que?
Wasnt the magic layer tech going to diminish Blizzards famous bukake launches?

It has diminished it, in Vanilla the servers capped at about 2000 players, private servers can have like 10k+ players and Classic has been like a private server launch (swarms of players everywhere) only with multiple layers of that on one server, the player number per server is nuts. Sharding is different, because with sharding Blizzard have almost instant/infinite scalability, that's also why you can be on a high pop server and you only see like 5 people (and why people hate it).

It's still a shit show though I agree with you, but without layering it would have been worse. 5 and a half hours I've been in the queue, estimate was to log in by 8pm, when I joined the queue at 12pm, still on track..... Fucked.

[KaPe]

If layers reduced the queues, people would just keep creating more characters on already overcrowded servers. It would only make things worse during the eventual phase 2 launch, since you'd somehow need to squeeze hugely inflated population into a single layer - with other servers being hugely underpopoluated in comparison. It works exactly like it should work.

[Big Thanks]

Server status updates related to other realms. A realm that is medium compared to the largest Full servers can still be over the cap it can handle.

Welp....no changes, am i right?

[Ghostile]

Welp....no changes, am i right?

Definitely. Shame they already changed so many things.

[kenn9530]

The layers are not the problem.
The fact that Blizzard was deaf to the warnings that they were MASSIVELY underestimating the initial rush is.
Their take on that each server must have a limited number of layers to be able to not be overpopulated when the layers would be merged is sound.
Their idea that somehow, 10 servers would be enough for a whole continent wasn't.

problems is within a few months populations will drop heavily, so its better to have fewer servers now and not have multiple low pop servers later

[Fistfighter]

You wanted NO CHANGES, you got NO CHANGES

huge ques are an authentic Vanilla experience lol

[Alcsaar]

All that BS about their new tech and mini-servers within servers.
Where is it? Why am i looking at a 20.000 que?
Wasnt the magic layer tech going to diminish Blizzards famous bukake launches?

Layering isn't implemented to allow a server to have infinite people. Its implemented to ease server resource use at launch due to all the people being in only a few zones.

They don't want to have servers with huge populations because their goal is to eventually remove layering in order to give that "one server" feel, so it doesn't end up just being multiple serveres all with one name because they can never afford to take layering off.

[noladrew]

Funny to see people that don't realize the purpose of layers :^)

[Akka]

problems is within a few months populations will drop heavily, so its better to have fewer servers now and not have multiple low pop servers later

You missed the entire point of my post.

This population drop is half the reason layers exist : it makes it so each server holds several times the "normal" population of a Vanilla server, so once the population has dropped, all layers can be merged together and we get a server with adequate population.
Queue exists when the server is already at full capacity after taking the population drop into account. So it means there is an actual need of new servers, even after taking into account the expected population drop.

And notice that the situation is even more critical if Blizzard overestimated how many people would drop Classic, which seems pretty likely to me considering how massively they underestimated its hype.

[Crillam]

All that BS about their new tech and mini-servers within servers.
Where is it? Why am i looking at a 20.000 que?
Wasnt the magic layer tech going to diminish Blizzards famous bukake launches?

Well they can't add 1000k layers per server... However these servers with the layer teach can still handle more people than before.
It is an improvement, you're only seeing 20k and not 100k+

[Queendom]

Layers and queues are not related.