Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[mvaliz]

To this day I still don't think he ever actually planned on winning. Because losing would get him almost the same publicity (remember his cable network he was going to launch) but no headaches. Granted, he's doing well financially - at least his family is (and god knows what's going on that we haven't found out about), and we still don't have him behind bars.

One of the few images I held onto post 11/9/16 was the memory of Dumbass Dump, staring coldly and with a slight frown at the monitor screens projecting his victory. There was no joy in his face whatsoever, just a look of absolute reality-check shock and dread that screams "What in the holy-fuck did I just do!?!?"

His look reminded me of the people in the movie Titanic, specifically the ones who demanded more wine while the ship was being evacuated refusing to think it was going down, and their later abject look as reality literally came crashing through the walls at them.

THAT was the look on his face - IMO the one and only time Donald J Trump was ever truly honest with himself.

[cubby]

IIRC Moscow Mitch gets to set the rules for the trial,Roberts is in charge of enforcing them.

Interesting. I really cannot wait for the Trial to get going.

I'm at work and can't really get into researching it now but I can't wait to find out how those rules are set. And what latitude the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States has to enforce them (I'm guessing the answer is "a LOT"). And can Moscow Mitch "take back the gavel" if he disagrees?

If it will truly be out of his hands, I wonder if he knows this (he must know either way), and will rely on that as Trump is Convicted.

[Breccia]

Interesting that he's pushing that out.

He knows he has no choice. The law is clear. He also knows the vote will fail in the GOP Senate. There's no point not to do this.

[Shadowferal]

103IV. When the President of the United States or the VicePresident of the United States, upon whom the powers and duties of the Office of President shall have devolved, shall be impeached, the Chief Justice of the United States shall preside; and in a case requiring the said Chief Justice to preside notice shall be given to him by the Presiding Officer of the Senate of the time and place fixed for the consideration of the articles of impeachment, as aforesaid, with a request to attend; and the said Chief Justice shall be ad-ministered the oath by the Presiding Officer of the Senate and shall preside over the Senate during the consideration of said articles and upon the trial of the person impeached therein.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/backgrou...enaterules.pdf

[s_bushido]

These two paragraphs sum up quite nicely the type of person you are.

Thank you for that.

Someone who doesn't want to associate with racists? Is this some shocking admission?

[cubby]

He knows he has no choice. The law is clear. He also knows the vote will fail in the GOP Senate. There's no point not to do this.

Good point - and nice conclusion. He can win either way here but citing his inability to influence the process and "going where the evidence leads". I'm no longer 100% sure the vote will fail, however. 99.998% though.

[Thepersona]

He knows he has no choice. The law is clear. He also knows the vote will fail in the GOP Senate. There's no point not to do this.

Apart from making them look horrible. That "failure" to convict will happen... I think in may-july 2020. That gives dotard tang 3 months for his campaign

[cubby]

103IV. When the President of the United States or the VicePresident of the United States, upon whom the powers and duties of the Office of President shall have devolved, shall be impeached, the Chief Justice of the United States shall preside; and in a case requiring the said Chief Justice to preside notice shall be given to him by the Presiding Officer of the Senate of the time and place fixed for the consideration of the articles of impeachment, as aforesaid, with a request to attend; and the said Chief Justice shall be ad-ministered the oath by the Presiding Officer of the Senate and shall preside over the Senate during the consideration of said articles and upon the trial of the person impeached therein.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/backgrou...enaterules.pdf

Thank you.

Roberts get the Senate gavel the entire time the Trial is running, even for non-trial related matters? I can't be reading that correctly.

[Dacien]

What if Trump gets impeached and then wins re-election? Wouldn't that be wild? I wonder if they could impeach him again on the same grounds? Or is that like double jeopardy?

[Shadowferal]

I don't speak the legalese all that well, but Roberts would be in charge of anything only related to impeachment and the articles pertaining to it.
This also means calling in witnesses as well. (And I think they get arrested on the spot and get escorted if they refuse)

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What if Trump gets impeached and then wins re-election? Wouldn't that be wild? I wonder if they could impeach him again on the same grounds? Or is that like double jeopardy?

Removal from office, bars him from holding public office ever again.

[Machismo]

These two paragraphs sum up quite nicely the type of person you are.

Thank you for that.

I'm still waiting on your evidence.

I hope you do take it to heart, I have no desire to remain friends or family with fascists and racists. If you choose to, you are free to do so.

[Thekri]

Removal from office, bars him from holding public office ever again.

I don't think it does, not unless it is part of some specific judgement against him. Roy Moore was removed as Chief Justice of Alabama by the court, and then Alabama voters elected him right back to the same position anyway.

Anyway, Dacien is just concern trolling, it isn't likely to happen. Either event actually, Trump is very unlikely to be removed by the Senate, but quite likely to lose reelection. He might resign in the meantime though, I still think that is the only plausible way to end his administration early.

[Templar 331]

I don't think it does, not unless it is part of some specific judgement against him. Roy Moore was removed as Chief Justice of Alabama by the court, and then Alabama voters elected him right back to the same position anyway.

Anyway, Dacien is just concern trolling, it isn't likely to happen. Either event actually, Trump is very unlikely to be removed by the Senate, but quite likely to lose reelection. He might resign in the meantime though, I still think that is the only plausible way to end his administration early.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articl...of_Impeachment

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

[Shadowferal]

I don't think it does, not unless it is part of some specific judgement against him. Roy Moore was removed as Chief Justice of Alabama by the court, and then Alabama voters elected him right back to the same position anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac...#Senate:_Trial

Upon conviction in the Senate, the official is automatically removed from office and may also be barred from holding future office. The trial is not an actual criminal proceeding and more closely resembles a civil service termination appeal in terms of the contemplated deprivation. Therefore, the removed official may still be liable to criminal prosecution under a subsequent criminal proceeding.

So, it could happen.

[Thekri]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articl...of_Impeachment

I stand corrected. Although it does look like it would have to be specifically added to the verdict, I see no reason why that wouldn't happen. If they voted to remove then none of them would want him coming back somehow.

[Templar 331]

I stand corrected. Although it does look like it would have to be specifically added to the verdict, I see no reason why that wouldn't happen. If they voted to remove then none of them would want him coming back somehow.

Oh crap, what if the Senate Reps remove with the stipulation he can still run in 2020?!

[Breccia]

NYState governor Cuomo signs a law that blocks double jeopardy from applying to pardoned criminals avoiding NYState prosecution.

Then he glanced at Trump, dropped the mic, and strolled off to an Eminem soundtrack.

[Shadowferal]

Oh crap, what if the Senate Reps remove with the stipulation he can still run in 2020?!

Subject to interpretation of the law as it stands via Chief Justice Roberts.

[lockedout]

Apart from making them look horrible. That "failure" to convict will happen... I think in may-july 2020. That gives dotard tang 3 months for his campaign

Failure to convict is what will backfire for Dems catapulting Trump into another 4 years. He'll just run on that fact alone, that this was a witch hunt and he is vindicated.

[Draco-Onis]

Failure to convict is what will backfire for Dems catapulting Trump into another 4 years. He'll just run on that fact alone, that this was a witch hunt and he is vindicated.

That would only work if the senate pretended to be impartial but given that Moscow Mitch is already fund raising saying he will make sure Trump is in the clear that goes out the window. The only way this would have an impact is if him being cleared by the senate was up in the air at this point no one expects the republican hacks in the senate to impeach him regardless of the evidence.

Trumpist like yourselves will cheer but no one will else will take it seriously, Moscow Mitch and the rest of the band are just really bad at this they should have just kept their mouth shut.