Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[omerome]

I still don't get the whole "here is a declassified picture of some random dog that looks like the one people are talking about" thing, honestly. Why not just show the dog, after it has recovered, getting you even more internet points that seem to be so desperately desired?

Because the resident is a desperate idiot who doesn't understand anything.

[Edge-]

I still don't get the whole "here is a declassified picture of some random dog that looks like the one people are talking about" thing, honestly. Why not just show the dog, after it has recovered, getting you even more internet points that seem to be so desperately desired?

POCKET SAND!

Because that would require thought and planning. This is a knee-jerk reaction on "instinct", with thought and planning nowhere in the equation.

[Muzjhath]

Oh I know what I'm for, and Trump ain't it. I mean, he says the right things sometimes and goes to the right events, and he makes choices I agree with at times (like Gorsuch), but he's not a man I can feel proud of as a leader. He certainly doesn't embody the values that I think are important. He's just not Hillary, and that's the best I could have hoped for in 2016.

I'm not trying to be provocative; that's how I feel. But at the same time, if I'm being honest, Trump's adversaries have gotten really dirty playing in the mud with him. And it's hard not to comment on that.

So, why the fuck didn't you cheerlead removing Trump in favour of Pence the moment Trump started to stink up the office of the POTUS?

[Zan15]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-m...loween-punched

A Florida teen showed her apparent disdain for President Trump when she allegedly punched a man who was dressed up as the commander in chief at a Halloween fair over the weekend, according to authorities.

The 14-year-old girl walked up to the man, who was standing on line with his family Saturday night for a haunted house at the Collier County Fairgrounds, and punched him in the jaw, officials said.

Lol! Another example of Trump hate getting the best of a person. Wonder what level of meltdown she will have if he gets reelected?

Sometimes its just about a douche being a douche....and not some nefarious political stance/reaction/TDS...…


Most likely it was just a dare by teenagers, because when you are a teenager you are inherently a douche.


If this is the worst thing YOU and Fox can come up with related to "trump hate" that crosses a line....then you might want to go look at the examples of Hillary hate and Obama hate for real examples of problems.


Its quite sad and embarrassing

[Dacien]

Real talk: Why does Trump get any credit for doing what literally any Republican president would have done? This wasn't bold leadership. This wasn't a risk. This wasn't a new vision. He was a stock Federalist Society/Heritage Foundation candidate for the job that any Republican would have nominated.

Honestly? Because he could have done a lot worse. He's such a loose cannon he could very well have nominated Jared Kushner.

So he doesn't embody values that you think are important, but because he puts a conservative judge on the Supreme Court he's better than Hillary?

It goes a lot deeper than that. Hillary in the White House means something. It means something for progressivism. If I were to prognosticate, I'd be willing to bet gun control would be in the cards. I know you've protested this assertion before, but under pressure from her left-wing allies, she'd almost certainty make some moves in that direction. And that's just an example. But really, an unbalanced Supreme Court scares me. Because it's now sort of flipped the other way, I grapple with the unfairness of a lopsided court in my favor. I was worried about losing my voice in SCOTUS, and now the left has sort of lost their voice. I don't know how to fix this long-term, but a Supreme Court lopsided to the left concerned me greatly.

Who's playing in the mud? How? Because there's an impeachment inquiry?

It's just that Trump's adversaries have done him dirty. Real dirty. I know that makes me sound like a Trump supporter, but the truth is I'm just detached enough to see that yes, he's an embarrassment, and also those people over there attacking him have no depth of low they aren't willing to go.

[shimerra]

It's just that Trump's adversaries have done him dirty. Real dirty. I know that makes me sound like a Trump supporter, but the truth is I'm just detached enough to see that yes, he's an embarrassment, and also those people over there attacking him have no depth of low they aren't willing to go.

This is truly hilarious coming from you given the absolute length you'll go to rationalize and justify your moral bankruptcy and lack of integrity.


You see Hillary as this anti-Christ and forget that Trump was a huge part in helping Dems win the house and without him it's possible republicans could've kept the house and the senate and regardless still kept the senate. There's your paranoia about gun control, which apparently to you nothing can/should be done despite multiple mass shootings and significant amounts of normal gun violence, because there's not a whole lot Hillary could've done even via executive order. Republicans happily obstructed under Obama and ignored any attempt at compromise not like they couldn't again.

Let's not forget that Trump literally exposes classified information and as we've seen multiple times causes operational concerns because of his big mouth. Not because it's for the good of the people but because he narcassiticly thinks it will make him look better. He literally gave sensitive Israeli intelligence, an ally since you seem to be confused, to Russian leadership. Who is not an ally by the way and still to this day denies attacks by Russia on our election and his own campaign's attempts to cooperate with them.

And again courts aren't supposed to be political in the sense that you and Republicans have made them. You seem perfectly fine with a court that is lopsided in favor of conservatives so you can also shove that lie right where it belongs and I don't believe for the tiniest second you care about balance or that it causes any internal dilemma. I don't think anyone heard any protest from you about McConnell obstructing Garland's nomination. Your grappling is hollow whining while happily leaning back while a complete mo You lie and demean any Democratic pick, which as you were shown none of Hillary's picks were crazy radicals and were at worst Gorusch levels to the left, like it was going to be some socialist hellscape.

The White house is literally running on a skeleton crew of acting heads and low staff because Trump's admin is such an incompetent cluster fuck. They literally can't beg qualified people to work for them and the few he had he drove off because they refused to be yes men.

His abuse of the Emergency power act is a flagrant violation of the constitution that should shock you to your core. But it doesn't. You deflect and excuse.

You calling yourself detached is just an excuse to own up to the fact that you made a terrible choice but you're okay with it because you got a few token wins. Here's your silver Judas. You can spend it after you're done pissing on the constitution, the rest of us have no interest in entertaining your delusions to make you feel better about your terrible choice. Hypocrite.

[Dacien]

So, why the fuck didn't you cheerlead removing Trump in favour of Pence the moment Trump started to stink up the office of the POTUS?

We do have to treat this with a little bit of solemnity. This isn't like returning a jacket that you didn't like the look of. He won, and up until this Ukraine deal, I could say with 100% certainty he didn't deserve to be impeached. The best that they had on him up until now was that he was really angry at being accused of conspiring with Russia to steal the election, and in the course of being angry about it he allegedly obstructed the investigation. I'd be a lot more sympathetic if he had done the thing and tried to cover it up, but he was right to be incensed over the Mueller probe when he knew the idea of a conspiracy with Russia was laughable. We're still waiting on I believe two investigations on that, one of them from the IG.

You know, so he had his whole presidency basically under a dark cloud. And for what? Nothing. It was all a mirage. They were ruthless and mesmerized. It was like living in a funhouse. Everybody knew he was going down any day now, already got so many people for so many things, the inner circle of criminals surrounding Trump were going down and he was next. Funhouse mirrors. So they moved on to obstruction, very deftly, and now we're talking about Ukraine. But in that, I haven't looked into it enough to make a solid determination. Been out of the political loop for a while. So maybe he's got his hands dirty on that one, I don't know, but he certainly got the short end of the stick on Trump-Russia Collusion.

I don't mean to sound so sympathetic to the guy, but I think half the outrage against him is just not that serious. But it's played up to be serious. And you're a bad person if you're not also angry at the thing, whatever it is that day. Now don't get me wrong, he's said and done some very hypocritical, cruel, and completely inappropriate and classless things. I don't defend any of that. But like I said, I'm detached enough to call them like I see them.

[Rasulis]

What do I was going to make a really off-color joke here and Trump's poll numbers have in common?

They're both underwater in the suburbs.



The suburbs of the US remain heavily white. Losing the suburbs is a chip out of his base that will start spreading cracks.

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Hey remember when Trump just flat-out handed classified information to the Russians and everyone said "that's a bad idea" and the rabid fanbase said "he's allowed to do it and he's new because he's an outsider and shut your gob you, it's not like he was warning terrorists about US plans"? Ah, good times...good times...

Anyhow, Trump warned terrorists about US plans.

"That can't possibly be right".

Well, true. Trump warned terrorists about US plans, and also made shit up.

I just spent 3 days in Dallas. While there, I watched the ABC/WFAA local news. On it one night a poll was released on Dallas residents voting for impeachment--a whopping 70% of Dallas residents were for impeachments. Yup. That was Dallas, Texas.

Some interesting photos of Trump's last visit to Dallas courtesy of Fox from American Airlines Center.

[Masark]

Some interesting photos of Trump's last visit to Dallas courtesy of Fox from American Airlines Center.

Those captions seem to presume that Mr. Griffin is a trump supporter.

[Edge-]

Honestly? Because he could have done a lot worse. He's such a loose cannon he could very well have nominated Jared Kushner.

I hope you realize how bad this looks for him, his supporters, and you.

"We elected a guy who may very well have nominated wholly unqualified candidates for the Supreme Court, but thankfully he just rubber stamped boilerplate Republican nominees."

That's about the saddest, most pathetic political "victory" I can think of.

Hillary in the White House means something. It means something for progressivism.

Hillary was a hardcore moderate. She has never been a serious progressive. Ever.

If I were to prognosticate, I'd be willing to bet gun control would be in the cards. I know you've protested this assertion before, but under pressure from her left-wing allies, she'd almost certainty make some moves in that direction.

https://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hi...un_Control.htm

She's very moderate in her stance on gun control, actually. And she never seemed to "cave" to pressure from "left-wing allies" in any meaningful way during the campaign. She moved a bit left during the primary as Bernie pushed her that way, but she did not lean hard left during the general in the slightest.

But really, an unbalanced Supreme Court scares me.

Again, you've poisoned the well before you even took a drink. You're starting from a foundation that the SCOTUS is inherently politicized by all sides, when in reality it's only been a meaningful political issue for Republicans. Democrats largely just want to see justices that won't overturn Roe, but haven't heavily politicized or run on the Supreme Court as Republicans have.

I was worried about losing my voice in SCOTUS, and now the left has sort of lost their voice.

Neither side should have a "voice", the "voice" should be the law and whether the justices are origanlists or living document folks. Voters don't have a "voice" in the judiciary, nor should they. They have a voice in the legislature and executive.

It's just that Trump's adversaries have done him dirty. Real dirty. I know that makes me sound like a Trump supporter, but the truth is I'm just detached enough to see that yes, he's an embarrassment, and also those people over there attacking him have no depth of low they aren't willing to go.

How have they "done him dirty. real dirty"? What are they doing?

[Citizen T]

Worth noting.

1. That's not the actual dog. That's just the breed of dog.

2. That breed is apparently classified, at least until Trump tried to use them to score some political points.

It's a Belgian Malinois. The breed isn't classified. The dog's name (identity) is classified.

[Skroe]

The leader of ISIS is dead and it doesn't matter a whiff. The end.

[Dontrike]

Oh I know what I'm for, and Trump ain't it.

And yet you jump at the chance to defend him every single chance you get, 'cause "he's ain't it." I'd love to see what you do when there's someone you are for.

[Dacien]

I hope you realize how bad this looks for him, his supporters, and you.

"We elected a guy who may very well have nominated wholly unqualified candidates for the Supreme Court, but thankfully he just rubber stamped boilerplate Republican nominees."

That's about the saddest, most pathetic political "victory" I can think of.

Yeah Edge, welcome to the great crapfest of 2016. It may not have seemed that way to you, but to conservatives, the choice couldn't have been worse.

Hillary was a hardcore moderate. She has never been a serious progressive. Ever.

Hopefully you know what I mean. In the American rubric, she was to the left. But beyond that, progressivist proponents have been very strong in recent years. This year's candidates are all much farther left than in years past. There's a current, and Hillary wasn't going to snub her nose at these people.

Again, you've poisoned the well before you even took a drink. You're starting from a foundation that the SCOTUS is inherently politicized by all sides, when in reality it's only been a meaningful political issue for Republicans. Democrats largely just want to see justices that won't overturn Roe, but haven't heavily politicized or run on the Supreme Court as Republicans have.

I'm not even sure how to approach this. Of course there's ideology at play. We call it right or left, but it's those particular issues. Guns, Abortion, etc. etc. These are major issues for Americans, and the Supreme Court holds monumental sway. You say you care when it's abortion, that the Justice should see things the way you do. That's what we're all doing here. Hoping for Justices that see things the way we do.

Neither side should have a "voice", the "voice" should be the law and whether the justices are origanlists or living document folks. Voters don't have a "voice" in the judiciary, nor should they. They have a voice in the legislature and executive.

But they don't all interpret the law the same, do they?

[Dontrike]

That's sad that some people are like that

Definitely worse than the MAGAbomber.

[Edge-]

It's a Belgian Malinois. The breed isn't classified. The dog's name (identity) is classified.

Ah, read that even the breed is apparently classified but I guess that's not correct.

[Skroe]

@zenkai

two words:

Magabomber



Magamobile




Some Trump supports have become literal domestic terrorists. You lose.

[Edge-]

Yeah Edge, welcome to the great crapfest of 2016. It may not have seemed that way to you, but to conservatives, the choice couldn't have been worse.

The choice was an ideological opponent that could do the job, or an unhinged hatemonger who didn't know the first thing about the Republican ideology beyond hating on brown people (see: His comments on abortion and punishing women) but would rubber stamp everything.

Hopefully you know what I mean. In the American rubric, she was to the left. But beyond that, progressivist proponents have been very strong in recent years. This year's candidates are all much farther left than in years past. There's a current, and Hillary wasn't going to snub her nose at these people.

Ironically, the lurch left is the result of the loss of Hillary, a centrist. Democrats are tired of centrists getting their butts kicked and want an unapologetic progressive. Running a middle of the road candidate didn't work last time, so why try the same losing strategy that doesn't get the Democratic base out to vote?

I'm not even sure how to approach this. Of course there's ideology at play. We call it right or left, but it's those particular issues. Guns, Abortion, etc. etc. These are major issues for Americans, and the Supreme Court holds monumental sway. You say you care when it's abortion, that the Justice should see things the way you do. That's what we're all doing here. Hoping for Justices that see things the way we do.

This isn't asking them to give a specific ruling. This is just asking them to uphold, rather than legislate via the bench to overrule an existing ruling.

But they don't all interpret the law the same, do they?

No, but that's not a matter for voters to have a direct hand in. That's a matter for Senators to have a hand in, who are elected by voters. And honestly, judicial picks shouldn't be a part of any campaign. That's specifically an argument for legislating via the judiciary.

[Captain N]

Some Trump supports have become literal domestic terrorists. You lose.

It's ironic that you mentioned that when many of the biggest Trump supporters on this forum have validated those terrorists by claiming they're protecting the American Way of Life. Drop into the gun-control thread and you'll see them also advocating that those folks should be able to keep their guns to protect themselves from Democrats.

[Rasulis]

Those captions seem to presume that Mr. Griffin is a trump supporter.

Did not catch that. I was just pointing out all the empty seats. Turned out Dallas is not a big fan of Trump. Most of the attendees came from far away. The locals mostly just rolled their eyes.