Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[Citizen T]

Anyone who gets impeached is ineligible to run for federal public office again. It might be all public office, but definitely federal.

Edit: just checked, hold any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States. So can't even have any deals with the US government, let alone hold any public office.

Double Edit: Which makes the announcement that the trumps are attempting to sell their interest in the post office hotel make much more sense.



Depends on the law. Some laws require that you know it's illegal/wrong.

This is not entirely correct. It is only correct if the Senate votes for this punishment along with removal from office.

Alcee Hastings was impeached from the federal court in Florida. He was not sentenced as such and later ran as a Democrat for Senate and was elected.

[cubby]

This is not entirely correct. It is only correct if the Senate votes for this punishment along with removal from office.

Alcee Hastings was impeached from the federal court in Florida. He was not sentenced as such and later ran as a Democrat for Senate and was elected.

Let's hope it doesn't come to this playing out and our Constitution getting even more shredded than Trump has already done. Hopefully the GOP senators are already counting out 19 peeps who can afford to vote to Convict (and subsequently vote to prevent further office).

[Edge-]

Giuliani, who had previously said his work in Ukraine was at the behest of the State Department, is trying a new story. He did it for Trump as his personal lawyer.

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/sta...80680391843841

The investigation I conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion and corruption, was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges, that kept changing as one after another were disproven.

I wonder if his just-announced legal team will be excited to hear this.

[Orbitus]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...5a8_story.html

Yeah, that would have looked good, let's have someone else implicated in the crime say it was also not a crime in a press conference. That would have gone over real well.

[Breccia]

Giuliani, who had previously said his work in Ukraine was at the behest of the State Department, is trying a new story. He did it for Trump as his personal lawyer.

Meaning, of course, it was even less official. Which is bad news. You can't send your lawyer to a foreign country to conduct official business.

[Ripster42]

This is not entirely correct. It is only correct if the Senate votes for this punishment along with removal from office.

Alcee Hastings was impeached from the federal court in Florida. He was not sentenced as such and later ran as a Democrat for Senate and was elected.

Yes, I've already been corrected. Twice. Thanks for keeping up.

Edit: Sorta corrected. It's never been before the supreme court. No one challenged Hastings election.

[Belize]

Giuliani, who had previously said his work in Ukraine was at the behest of the State Department, is trying a new story. He did it for Trump as his personal lawyer.

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/sta...80680391843841



I wonder if his just-announced legal team will be excited to hear this.

So Ghouliani's defense is that he went to negotiate with a foreign government as a non federal employee on behalf of Trump.


Hmmm

[wunksta]

Alarm bells went off in full fashion late Wednesday morning after Donald Trump, Jr. tweeted out an article which may or may not have contained the name of the intelligence community whistleblower.

The White House later claimed they had no knowledge of–or intent to join–the younger Trump’s efforts to out the person who has plagued the Trump administration since early September.

The lawyers’ letter singles out the 45th president’s oldest son:

If the [whistleblower’s] name is revealed by any person, including Donald Trump, Jr., we hereby request that the persons engaging in this obstruction of justice be immediately arrested.

The attorneys point Barr’s attention to a federal obstruction of justice statute specifically keyed toward protecting whistleblowers.

This law, the letter notes, was “amended to explicitly prevent retaliation against whistleblowers” over 15 years ago.

A 2002 amendment to the federal retaliation statute notes:

Whoever knowingly, with the intent to retaliate, takes any action harmful to any person, including interference with the lawful employment or livelihood of any person, for providing to a law enforcement officer any truthful information relating to the commission or possible commission of any Federal offense, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.

Codified at 18 U.S.C. § 1513(e), the law cited “makes clear that the intelligence community whistleblower who filed a valid concern with the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community would be fully protected under this law, and any person who retaliates against this whistleblower would be guilty of a serious felony under federal law,” the letter notes.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...tely-arrested/

[Dontrike]

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...tely-arrested/

Deity I can only hope Jr. gets fucked over for this.

[Blur4stuff]

Trump Jr really showing the stupidity he inherited from his father. At this point the whistleblower is irrelevant. We are getting first hand accounts from several different people. It's like extorting a foreign government to attack a politician that wasn't going to be your opponent anyways. Well, not quite that dumb.

[Dontrike]

Trump Jr really showing the stupidity he inherited from his father. At this point the whistleblower is irrelevant. We are getting first hand accounts from several different people. It's like extorting a foreign government to attack a politician that wasn't going to be your opponent anyways. Well, not quite that dumb.

You don't get it! If we find out who the whistleblower is and who they had lunch with in 5th grade then that means every other witness disappears!

[Draco-Onis]

Trump Jr really showing the stupidity he inherited from his father. At this point the whistleblower is irrelevant. We are getting first hand accounts from several different people. It's like extorting a foreign government to attack a politician that wasn't going to be your opponent anyways. Well, not quite that dumb.

That's not their goal they want to scare any other whistleblower in the administration, Trump has a lot of skeletons in his closet now especially on that secret server. They want to show if you step out of line this is what happens to you and your family, the whistleblower's name is all over Russian state TV they are openly saying how much they love Trump because he is so bad for America.

[Skroe]

You don't get it! If we find out who the whistleblower is and who they had lunch with in 5th grade then that means every other witness disappears!

Apparently the Trumpublicans think the Whistleblower is the Infinity Gauntlet, and if they get a hold of it all their problems get dusted.

[Draco-Onis]

You don't get it! If we find out who the whistleblower is and who they had lunch with in 5th grade then that means every other witness disappears!

It's really like a mob boss if someone squeals you kill them Trump and crew are trying to get this guy killed and no one is going to make them pay for it. I mean who is going to hold them accountable? the senate has made it clear they won't remove Trump even if he killed someone, William Barr is so far up Trump's ass he is sharing space with Lindsey Graham. All our checks and balances are powerless since Trump has the GOP blindly following him.

[solinari6]

Apparently the Trumpublicans think the Whistleblower is the Infinity Gauntlet, and if they get a hold of it all their problems get dusted.

Actually, the reason they want to unmask the whistleblower, is because he (allegedly) was working in the Obama administration during the time that Biden demanded that Ukraine fire that prosecutor. AND, co-incidentally, the whistleblower was acting as the Ukraine expert of some sort. So he's a first hand witness to Biden's "corruption".

Probably BS, but I'd definitely look for the whistleblower getting a subpoena when this all gets to the Senate.

[Endus]

Actually, the reason they want to unmask the whistleblower, is because he (allegedly) was working in the Obama administration during the time that Biden demanded that Ukraine fire that prosecutor. AND, co-incidentally, the whistleblower was acting as the Ukraine expert of some sort. So he's a first hand witness to Biden's "corruption".

Probably BS, but I'd definitely look for the whistleblower getting a subpoena when this all gets to the Senate.

In other words, they want to layer one baseless conspiracy theory on top of another baseless conspiracy theory, and expect to not have people mock them to their stupid faces.

[solinari6]

That may be one reason, sure. But you can make guaranteed bets that they want to know who it is just so they can then try attack and discredit, just so they can defend Trump.

Oh for sure. They'll probably even say that he participated in Biden's "corruption".

[cubby]

Deity I can only hope Jr. gets fucked over for this.

Depends on the SOL - but hopefully President [insert Democratic name]'s AG will have DTjr arrested.

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Giuliani ran rhoshold over the State Department FSO's in Ukraine.

The sheer artistry of story-changing and hand-waiving lies is almost beautiful, if it wasn't so terrifying. Here we have a private attorney, with no government credentials, running Ukraine policy.

[PACOX]

It sure is weird how all these people, who are more or less 'loyalists' or people willing to keep their mouths shut, keep saying that the Ukraine call was weird, qpq, extortion.

[the game]

In other words, they want to layer one baseless conspiracy theory on top of another baseless conspiracy theory, and expect to not have people mock them to their stupid faces.

is the democrats case so weak that it can't withstand knowing who the whistleblower is? It's sad that they're hiding things.