Grond vs Deathwing

[Kyphael]

Deathwing before or after corruption? After corruption, Deathwing roasts him. Before corruption, he was actually cunning and I believe would still win by out thinking Grond.

[Daronokk]

Deathwing would win.

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

The Colossal and Magnarons eat lava and rocks so Deathwing would be a perfect meal for them if one ever got a hold of him.

Grond and the Sporemound should all be a tier above the likes of Deathwings. No amount of Old God empowerment is going to allow Deathwing to even have a chance of winning.

From strongest to weakest

Empowered Botaan

Grond

Naanu

The unnamed Sporemound

Colossal = N'zoth Empowered Deathwing - evenly matched, If the Colossal can jump and grab Deathwing than it'll rip him apart and eat him since they love eating rocks and lava.

Magnaron = Normal Deathwing - Normal Deathwing can most likely defeat a lot of Magnaron but some of the bigger named Magnaron would rock him.

Gronn

Ogron

Ogre

Orcs

[Houle]

lol
grond was the direct creation of aggramar, the second strongest warrior of the pantheon, after sargeras. deathwing got infused with some titanic power through the keepers and was later juiced by the weakest old god
deathwing gets stomped so hard its not even funny
and thats not even taking size into consideration. grond could literally crush deathwing in one hand. gruul was comparable to deathwing in size (as chronicles show), and gruul was considerably smaller than the magnaron, who were literally pieces the colossals which broke off, and the colossals themselves were pieces of grond which broke off. deathwing is like the size of gronds finger.
take a look at the colossal skeletons in AU draenor, and imagine that these were literally small pieces of stone that broke off from grond.
deathwing gets owned, mismatch

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My bad sorry I was mixing things up between him and Tyr (he was the one who fought two old gods generals).

But yeah in the chronicles volume 2 the details about Grond fight is more detailed. He fought three of the sporemounds and still managed to defeat 2 of the 3 if I remember correctly. The moment he fought Botaan at the end he was already wounded and not fresh.

he was wounded, and botaan grew heavily in size by absorbing the life essence of the two dead sporemounds. fresh grond vs normal botaan, grond woudve easily won

[TheFirstOnes]

As much as I would say Grond, people need to realize that size means fuck all in Warcraft. Also note that Deathwing was given a TON of other amps post Titan amp, so uhm...yeah.

Deathwing should demolish Grond.

[chrisisvacant]

The Colossal and Magnarons eat lava and rocks so Deathwing would be a perfect meal for them if one ever got a hold of him.

Grond and the Sporemound should all be a tier above the likes of Deathwings. No amount of Old God empowerment is going to allow Deathwing to even have a chance of winning.

From strongest to weakest

Empowered Botaan

Grond

Naanu

The unnamed Sporemound

Colossal = N'zoth Empowered Deathwing - evenly matched, If the Colossal can jump and grab Deathwing than it'll rip him apart and eat him since they love eating rocks and lava.

Magnaron = Normal Deathwing - Normal Deathwing can most likely defeat a lot of Magnaron but some of the bigger named Magnaron would rock him.

Gronn

Ogron

Ogre

Orcs

So you left out Zang?

[Memnok]

Im not sure how people are even taking Deathwing seriously in this fight. You have to remember Titans > Old gods. Grond was empowered by a being that was stronger than an old god. Saying Grond is a mountain sized being is not thinking big enough. This guy was as big as whole zones that contained mountains. Physically Deathwing would not be able to do much to Grond. Once Grond got ahold of Deathwing the fight is over.

[darkoms]

Im not sure how people are even taking Deathwing seriously in this fight. You have to remember Titans > Old gods. Grond was empowered by a being that was stronger than an old god. Saying Grond is a mountain sized being is not thinking big enough. This guy was as big as whole zones that contained mountains. Physically Deathwing would not be able to do much to Grond. Once Grond got ahold of Deathwing the fight is over.

Is everything so bad on this forum that people don’t even know that Deathwing also received power from the Titans? Deathwing can raise mountains and change the landscape of the planet. I doubt very much that the size of the Grond matters to him. Not to mention the fact that Grond is just a golem created from arcane and the elements. Oh, wait, Deathwing has an incredible level of control arcane and the elements.

[Terongor]

Deathwing was defeated by Gruul. Gruul was a fraction of the size of Grond, Gruul was a fraction of the guys that were a fraction of Grond. Remember that Grond's body extends from Gorgrond to Nagrand where his skull was the Throne of Elements.

Well DW was toying with him and torturing him during beyond the dark portal book and only reason Gruul won was khadgar magically Breaking adamantium plates holding DW together..... yeah ofc Grond wins but using a battle which even characters from book said Deathwing was just torturing and playing with him as an example is just wrong....

[Chonar]

Grond would throw a rock at him.

A big rock.

I see what you did there.

[chrisisvacant]

Im not sure how people are even taking Deathwing seriously in this fight. You have to remember Titans > Old gods. Grond was empowered by a being that was stronger than an old god. Saying Grond is a mountain sized being is not thinking big enough. This guy was as big as whole zones that contained mountains. Physically Deathwing would not be able to do much to Grond. Once Grond got ahold of Deathwing the fight is over.

Deathwing is a huge dragon imbued with the powers of both an old god and a titan. He is not just a mountainous golem, but an aspect of a titan. That is an incredible amount of magical power. Deathwing was given domain over the earth. All that Grond is made of bows to Deathwing's will. It doesn't matter if Grond is the size of 12 zones made of mountains, the fact is that Deathwing shapes, reshapes, levels, raises, and shatters mountains with a thought.

[Houle]

Deathwing is a huge dragon imbued with the powers of both an old god and a titan. He is not just a mountainous golem, but an aspect of a titan. That is an incredible amount of magical power. Deathwing was given domain over the earth. All that Grond is made of bows to Deathwing's will. It doesn't matter if Grond is the size of 12 zones made of mountains, the fact is that Deathwing shapes, reshapes, levels, raises, and shatters mountains with a thought.

being an aspect doesnt mean that much. they werent even directly empowered by the titans. the keepers channeled some of the titans power into them. thats it. grond on the other hand was created by a titan as his single enforcer on draenor. hes basically azeroths keepers x1000. and said keepers imprisoned the old gods, the weakest of whom made DW incredibly much more stronger than the other aspects.

and yes, while deathwing is the earth warden, that does not give him absolute control over everything earthy. otherwise alexstrasza would could control everything alive on azeroth and easily kill it if she wishes so. being the aspect of earth or life doesnt give them full control over it.
and again, grond was bigger than a zone. deathwing was not able to literally reduce an entire zone to ash and rubble. if so, he wouldve done it countless times in cata. the effects of the cataclysm came from the shattered world pillar+the deaths of cthun and yogg

[chrisisvacant]

being an aspect doesnt mean that much. they werent even directly empowered by the titans. the keepers channeled some of the titans power into them. thats it. grond on the other hand was created by a titan as his single enforcer on draenor. hes basically azeroths keepers x1000. and said keepers imprisoned the old gods, the weakest of whom made DW incredibly much more stronger than the other aspects.

and yes, while deathwing is the earth warden, that does not give him absolute control over everything earthy. otherwise alexstrasza would could control everything alive on azeroth and easily kill it if she wishes so. being the aspect of earth or life doesnt give them full control over it.
and again, grond was bigger than a zone. deathwing was not able to literally reduce an entire zone to ash and rubble. if so, he wouldve done it countless times in cata. the effects of the cataclysm came from the shattered world pillar+the deaths of cthun and yogg

They were directly empowered by the titans. The keepers being the conduits make no difference - they were chosen by and empowered by the titans themselves. IDK why people ever attempt to downplay the power of the aspects.

[darkoms]

being an aspect doesnt mean that much. they werent even directly empowered by the titans. the keepers channeled some of the titans power into them. thats it. grond on the other hand was created by a titan as his single enforcer on draenor. hes basically azeroths keepers x1000. and said keepers imprisoned the old gods, the weakest of whom made DW incredibly much more stronger than the other aspects.

and yes, while deathwing is the earth warden, that does not give him absolute control over everything earthy. otherwise alexstrasza would could control everything alive on azeroth and easily kill it if she wishes so. being the aspect of earth or life doesnt give them full control over it.
and again, grond was bigger than a zone. deathwing was not able to literally reduce an entire zone to ash and rubble. if so, he wouldve done it countless times in cata. the effects of the cataclysm came from the shattered world pillar+the deaths of cthun and yogg

Do you blame me for being rude and disagreeing with other people when you cannot even read the Chronicles? You are not the first, not the second or even the tenth person who believes that the forces of the Aspects were given by the Keepers. Where did this stupid myth come from? The Chronicles explicitly states:https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wor...l?id=106975#45
Ra CHANNELED the powers of Aman'thul
Freya CALLED Eonar
Freya BESEECHED Eonar
Loken CALLED Norgannon
Archaedas ASKED Khaz'goroth

[TheFirstOnes]

So many people are just going to downplay Deathwing because of size alone. It's utterly pathetic.

For in case y'all didn't know, size means fuck all in WoW. It's power that matters. It's why the Players can slay Dragons and colossal's casually, and it's also why the players can 1 shot a fucking Old God to death with the Heart of Azeroth alone. Power > Size. Size doesn't mean shit in this game.

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being an aspect doesnt mean that much. they werent even directly empowered by the titans. the keepers channeled some of the titans power into them. thats it. grond on the other hand was created by a titan as his single enforcer on draenor. hes basically azeroths keepers x1000. and said keepers imprisoned the old gods, the weakest of whom made DW incredibly much more stronger than the other aspects.

and yes, while deathwing is the earth warden, that does not give him absolute control over everything earthy. otherwise alexstrasza would could control everything alive on azeroth and easily kill it if she wishes so. being the aspect of earth or life doesnt give them full control over it.
and again, grond was bigger than a zone. deathwing was not able to literally reduce an entire zone to ash and rubble. if so, he wouldve done it countless times in cata. the effects of the cataclysm came from the shattered world pillar+the deaths of cthun and yogg

Being an aspect means a fuck ton, what do you mean? And yes, they were directly empowered by the Titans, even if they weren't present. They used the Keepers as conduits for their power, so that they can bless the Aspects with their own might. Hell, Aman'thul and Nozdorumu have direct connections with each-other over time. However, Aman'thul is now a spirit and inactive, while Nozdorumu is going insane because seeing through the future all the fucking time can cause an extreme amount of insanity, as well as depression.

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Do you blame me for being rude and disagreeing with other people when you cannot even read the Chronicles? You are not the first, not the second or even the tenth person who believes that the forces of the Aspects were given by the Keepers. Where did this stupid myth come from? The Chronicles explicitly states:https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wor...l?id=106975#45
Ra CHANNELED the powers of Aman'thul
Freya CALLED Eonar
Freya BESEECHED Eonar
Loken CALLED Norgannon
Archaedas ASKED Khaz'goroth

It came from people mis-representing what the Chronicles actually meant. So, I don't blame them for getting confused by this.

[Aucald]

So many people are just going to downplay Deathwing because of size alone. It's utterly pathetic.

For in case y'all didn't know, size means fuck all in WoW. It's power that matters. It's why the Players can slay Dragons and colossal's casually, and it's also why the players can 1 shot a fucking Old God to death with the Heart of Azeroth alone. Power > Size. Size doesn't mean shit in this game.

Size alone isn't the key determining factor for power, that's true - but size isn't all Grond had. He was created by the Titan Aggramar, imbued with a portion of his Titanic essence like all greater Titan constructs were, along with the core of Draenor's Elemental energies. Grond was powerful in both size, strength, and his command of the Elements as a whole - being an aspect of the very substance of Draenor itself. Deathwing, instilled as he was by Khaz'goroth as well as enhanced by the powers of the Old Gods, would be a powerful opponent, but I don't think even he would wield power on the same scale as Grond itself. Grond was designed to go to war with an inhospitable and sentient biosphere, after all; which makes the fight between Deathwing and Grond look more like the fight between a powerful Keeper and a Titan themselves. Deathwing would likely get some good hits in, but ultimately I think he'd be outmatched in terms of raw power.

[darkoms]

Size alone isn't the key determining factor for power, that's true - but size isn't all Grond had. He was created by the Titan Aggramar, imbued with a portion of his Titanic essence like all greater Titan constructs were, along with the core of Draenor's Elemental energies. Grond was powerful in both size, strength, and his command of the Elements as a whole - being an aspect of the very substance of Draenor itself. Deathwing, instilled as he was by Khaz'goroth as well as enhanced by the powers of the Old Gods, would be a powerful opponent, but I don't think even he would wield power on the same scale as Grond itself. Grond was designed to go to war with an inhospitable and sentient biosphere, after all; which makes the fight between Deathwing and Grond look more like the fight between a powerful Keeper and a Titan themselves. Deathwing would likely get some good hits in, but ultimately I think he'd be outmatched in terms of raw power.

Deathwing literally has tremendous control over everything that the Grond consit-Arcane and the elements. Asking who wins the battle is the same as asking who wins the battle between the King of Ghosts from Lotr movie and Sauron (who is also a necromancer).
And the Keeper is an insect compared to Titan, so say Deathwing vs. Grond = Keeper vs Titan is absolutely wrong

[Aucald]

Deathwing literally has tremendous control over everything that the Grond consit-Arcane and the elements. Asking who wins the battle is the same as asking who wins the battle between the King of Ghosts from Lotr movie and Sauron (who is also a necromancer).
And the Keeper is an insect compared to Titan, so say Deathwing vs. Grond = Keeper vs Titan is absolutely wrong

Deathwing is tied to the substance of Azeroth specifically, whereas Grond is the substance of Draenor - not something Deathwing is intrinsically tied to. Nor does Deathwing have any implicit or explicit control of the Elements beyond his connection to Azeroth's substance, shown by the fact that even Thrall was able to contend with him through his own connection to the Elements in "Charge of the Aspects" (although Thrall was still outmatched by the mad Aspect). I don't think the disparity between Grond and Deathwing is as much as a Keeper vs. a Titan, but I don't think it's a close thing, either. Grond would be striking Deathwing with the equivalent of being struck by a burning mountain-range, and while Deathwing is indeed powerful he's still just a largish dragon with magical abilities. It's a pretty stark power comparison, not too different from Aman'thul bending down and plucking the bulk of Y'Shaarj from the surface of Azeroth.

[Raven]

Deathwing was defeated by Gruul. Gruul was a fraction of the size of Grond, Gruul was a fraction of the guys that were a fraction of Grond. Remember that Grond's body extends from Gorgrond to Nagrand where his skull was the Throne of Elements.

Not how it went Gruul was getting owned when Khadgar managed to disassembled some of the adamantium plates holding Deathwing's together, so Deathwing retreated.

[Adoxe]

Grond obviously it's not even a contest. I don't know why these threads keep popping up where people think Deathwing is strong enough to go against things like Galakrond and Grond on his own.