I still don't understand how we beat the legion

[TheAngryGazebo]

So you're telling me that a single spaceship, much smaller than the exodar, capable of housing at most a couple thousand soldiers just went onto the Legion home planet filled with milions of blood thirsty demons and we just kicked their asses?

- An army that numbers in the millions;
- It is comprised of immortal creatures who can only die in a very specific dimension of the Cosmos;
- Controls the most advanced technology in the Cosmos and can use the souls of their fallen enemies to vastly empower their war machines;
- Is led by a myriad of powerful individuals - Sargeras, Archimonde, Kil'jaeden, Gul'dan, Mannoroth, Kazzak, Mephistroth, Tichondrius, Talgath etc...
- Transends realities;
- Controls at the very least 10.000 planets scattered across the Cosmos;
- Can assimiliate ANY mortal race, as any mortal can be turned into a Demon if they are infused with a large amount of Fel.

How was the argussian reach even alive? Isn't it like 25,000 years since Velen fled Argus? How in the world are they still a thing? Is the legion really that incompotent or is it just bad story telling? Hell I even heard the army of the light was on their last legs.

How?

So you're telling me that a single X-Wing, much smaller than the Rebel Freighters, capable of housing at most a pilot and an astromech droid just went into the Death Star trenches filled with countless TIE fighters and surface cannons and we just kicked their asses?

- An Empire that numbers in the millions;
- It is led by a nigh immortal creature who can either become a force ghost or return themselves to life;
- Controls the most advanced technology in the Cosmos and can use the resources of an entire galaxy to vastly empower their war machines;
- Is led by a myriad of powerful individuals - Emperor Palpatine, Darth Vader, Grand Moff Tarkin, Thrawn, Mas Amedda, Rae Sloane etc...
- Controls at the very least 1,500,000 planets scattered across the galaxy;
- Can turn virtually ANY mortal, as any mortal can be turned into a Sith if they are properly shown the power of the Dark Side.

How was the Rebel Alliance even alive? Isn't it like 20 years since Obi-Wan fled Mustafaar? How in the world are Jedi still a thing? Is the Empire really that incompotent or is it just bad story telling? Hell I even heard the Rebel Alliance was on their last legs.

How?

[Lolites]

lorewise there was 15 000 nelfs in teldrasil in game theres like what, 50? maybe 100?
so lorewise we killed bilions of demons at least, think about it theres achi for 5000 demons killed, lets say 1m players did it, so we killed 5bilions of demons and i know i myself killed at least 20k of them

[Rotted]

So out of interest, taking those factors into account. How would you have ended the story?

[Raisei]

We cut of the Legion's head by killing Archimonde (in WoD) then Kil'jaeden in ToS, both dying in the Nether so they could not ressurect (for Archimonde he died in the Nether in the Mythic fight, which is canon). Then we freed the Titans from Sargeras and they imprisoned him with Illidan keeping watch.

Additionally they lost their immortality completely, since it was tied to Argus' World Soul/Titan. When we killed that one they became mortal, no more reforming in the Nether.

So yes, there are still demons, but the Burning Legion was Sargeras' project and it ended with him being imprisoned. There is no one left in the true upper class of the demons to issue commands anymore and the Nazrethim are nowhere near the powerlevel needed to take the lead. The remaining demons will splinter and in many case probably be a lot less aggresive since they do not have their immortality to fall back on.

[Aeula]

Argus was not their homeworld...

Legion have no homeworld.

The Legion have several homeworlds, Argus is the major one. It's where Sargeras did all his important stuff and where KJ ruled from.

[sam86]

Did you know that during WW2, Germans were able to "pull off" their conquest of Europe when they were outnumbered, had inferior technology and inferior weapons? Now, you do.

inferior what?
even allies admit that german had far superior technology, hence why USA cleaned the background of any nazi who was willing to work for them and gave him new ID because u are cool as long u server USA
Even by time war ended Germany was still superior in technology, if they didn't piss of USSR they may won the war, but in the biggest most stupid move ever in history, they attacked russia in winter

@ topic, the BL is shown as a bunch of incompetent retards, Mannaroth who boosted he destroyed worlds alone is getting axed for breakfast as example, according to WoD all universes demons are one and same, yet they didn't think of stop Velen in the AU even if AU is behind us by 23 years or something in that time, or Soreccar warn his draenei mortal self of his potential fate as demon (f8ck my brain hurts when i talk about WoD AU crap lore)
But seriously the BL started very strong in wc3, only to fail more with time, their 3rd invasion in TBC ended with KJ getting flushed like toilet sh8t, and have zero impact on world, and their 4th invasion didn't even pass a bunch of small islands and they lost everything
They didn't have control over half of their own capital, making it obvious that only reason they were 'successful' is because they were fighting worlds of ants, they are retards who fought even worse retards, anything with brain stop them, and so far seems Azeroth is only planet with non retarded creatures

[Velerios]

I amend my post then, nothing is ever really defeated in this universe. The burning crusade will return, maybe under new ownership or with a new agenda. The legion lost this battle, maybe this war, but they will come back, mark my words.

That's for sure, but will it be the same legion: also i don't expect them after this defeat them to return in the next time. Don't forget that demons have a long lifespan as do the Void Lords; for them to wait for a few millenia more is not a big deal.

Still i think the evil warlock that summons a demon army is right now more dangerous than the burning legion. Maybe we even fight some Remnants, but that's it.

[sam86]

We cut of the Legion's head by killing Archimonde (in WoD) then Kil'jaeden in ToS, both dying in the Nether so they could not ressurect (for Archimonde he died in the Nether in the Mythic fight, which is canon)

no, it isn't
blizz refuse to answer that since ages, and i buzzed that non stop
their only answer is wait for Chronicles, only to sh8t on it later and say it is canon from someone 'pov', how the f8ck is that canon?
that comic writer retard (what was his name) has clearly refused to answer if Archimonde died in Twisting Neither or not
Also btw, we kill many demons in Twisting Neither during Legion exp, and they still get a free rez later, so even the idea that if we kill them in TN they die forever, blizz sh8t on it in legion

[maccajoe]

For the people wondering about Metzens involvement.

As far as i know the last thing Metzen actively worked on was the BFA intro cinematic with Anduin and Sylvanis (im not counting showing up and voicing Thrall). This was said by him in this. Listen onward as well.
https://soundcloud.com/scott-johnson...hris-metzen-20
Interview said around 36:40.

He stated that THAT was two years ago (keep in mind this interview is 1 year old) so effectively prolly over 3 years ago.
He anounced his retirement in September (legion came out in August).
He would have definately worked on what happened in Legion as they usually have xpacs planned 2 years in advance.

They already know now what the expansion after Shadowlands will be not in detail but an idea.

[Cizr]

8.3 Azshara implies she is going to seek out the Burning Legion (Sargeras) again though

WHAT? really?

[Akka]

Gameplay/story limitations. Sure, Legion could prolly just bring nuff ships to nuke entire Azeroth from orbit, but then how would we stop it?

Hu, that's the very difference between bad storytelling and good storytelling.
The bad one does some shit that makes no sense and "because narrative" is used as an excuse.
The good one does some shit that makes sense and as such we don't have to use "because narrative" as an excuse.

But it's harder to make sense and have internal consistency than to just go Hollywood boom boom and have some deus ex machina or gaping plot holes.

[Yeti Glanchi]

WHAT? really?

Yeah , it comes after the Dark Inquistor boss fight. She says "Now go and do what you will. I tire of intermediaries and heralds. The true throne of power beckons, and I intend to claim it."

Well ... now that I 've gone back and re - read it ... that could mean anything ... I initially took it as her referencing her previous dealings with Sargeras back during War of the Ancients and she intends to re - align with the Burning Legion

[Jaggler]

Yeah , it comes after the Dark Inquistor boss fight. She says "Now go and do what you will. I tire of intermediaries and heralds. The true throne of power beckons, and I intend to claim it."

Well ... now that I 've gone back and re - read it ... that could mean anything ... I initially took it as her referencing her previous dealings with Sargeras back during War of the Ancients and she intends to re - align with the Burning Legion

Yeah, that's pretty much Azshara in a nutshell, always searching for new ways to gain power and reign, no matter who or what she's dealing with. Maybe she's trying to get back in contact with Aunt Sylvie.

[themaelstorm]

First of all, y'all seem to have watched no films and read no books of the genre.

There are tons of Legion demons still about and kicking, but what made the Legion a force to be feared was their organization, most especially the will of Sargeras pushing them to a single overriding goal. Without Sargeras at the helm, and lacking the command structure we butchered our way through, the Legion is a deeply diminished threat to us. More likely they've devolved into a series of carping and infighting factions, more inclined to split up the spoils of the physical universe for themselves than to work to enact universal omnicide. There will always be demons, but the power of the Legion is broken.

This.
I'd be interested to hear people's opinions about smt I wrote on this BTW. I hope it's OK to share. Feels better than just copy pasting a huge text.
https://link.medium.com/uFfJ8gYGL1

[Sezh]

This is kinda the problem with WoW. We have t always win no matter what. There is no room for us to have any real consequences for anything because at the end of the day we are going to just go into a raid and kill or beat whatever big bad through some deus ex machina. We should not have beaten Argus. Hell....we probably shouldn't have even been able to get anywhere near him. Also even when we do actually fight him he insta kills us halfway through the fight similar to what Arthas did. And also just like Arthas some miraculous thing happens and we are saved by some external force.

I honestly don't have that big a problem with this but they need to stop trying to act like we are ever in any real danger. Maybe they will prove me wrong one day but I highly doubt it.

Kinda this. Am I the only one who would not object the slightest against a raid fight consisting of us trying to survive and then we "win" by getting enough hits in to distract a boss for an escape or something?

[Ophenia]

Well, we didn't "beat them" as you mean. Demons are still everywhere, but they lost their leaders (Archimonde, Kil'jaeden are dead and Sargeras imprisoned). Without them, they're disorganized and aren't that much of a threat.

Plus, Argus' events, as far as I understood, hinder their revival capabilities. All dead demons will remain dead now.

Most of the wars are not won by killing all the enemies. They're won by killing leaders.

[Cizr]

Yeah , it comes after the Dark Inquistor boss fight. She says "Now go and do what you will. I tire of intermediaries and heralds. The true throne of power beckons, and I intend to claim it."

Well ... now that I 've gone back and re - read it ... that could mean anything ... I initially took it as her referencing her previous dealings with Sargeras back during War of the Ancients and she intends to re - align with the Burning Legion

Thats pretty cool, thanks

[Daymanmb]

Did you know that during WW2, Germans were able to "pull off" their conquest of Europe when they were outnumbered, had inferior technology and inferior weapons? Now, you do.

I guess the light is Azeroths version of crystal meth lol

[Dead Moose Fandango]

Kinda this. Am I the only one who would not object the slightest against a raid fight consisting of us trying to survive and then we "win" by getting enough hits in to distract a boss for an escape or something?

Like that one Wrath dungeon where you fight up to Arthas being an icecube via Sylvanas or Jaina, and then flee as fast as you can to the airship? Sounds good to me.

[Venziir]

Where Sargeras did all important stuff... Thats so vague.

Sargeras is the legion. Whats his homeworld?

Titans don't have homeworlds; they ARE worlds.