Introducing the X-Men to the MCU

[Dwarfhamster]

Hopefully they will keep the X-Men universe separate. Preferably entirely separate but at the most just have Scarlet Witch cross over because of Magneto and all. And I refuse to accept that she's no longer a mutant and not Magneto's daughter MCU can easily transition her to being a mutant in that Loki's staff awakened her and her brother's powers and they were the only ones that could survive the process was exactly because they're mutants.

[PACOX]

What dude?

Had to look at the guys name.
Apparently it was even a rumor earlier this yeah.

Comic Wolverine, even the one in the old cartoon, is a little scrappy scruffed dude.

[Egomaniac]

Had to look at the guys name.
Apparently it was even a rumor earlier this yeah.

Comic Wolverine, even the one in the old cartoon, is a little scrappy scruffed dude.

If they wanted to do a truly accurate Wolverine...they'd have to find an actor that's 5'3.

[PACOX]

If they wanted to do a truly accurate Wolverine...they'd have to find an actor that's 5'3.

Daniel Radcliff is 5' 5" according to Google.

[Egomaniac]

Daniel Radcliff is 5' 5" according to Google.

As I said...to be an accurate Wolverine he would have to be 5'3.

[Hobbidaggy]

To get around the “older mutants” not having a past you can always say there was a war going on in plain sight between Xavier and Eric. Both have been hiding in the shadows and fighting to keep mutants hidden with Eric wanting a more public display and Xavier wanting to remain hidden and train up those around him to control and help humanity....not perfect but you can’t have XMen without Xavier and Eric and Wric needs to be a Holocaust survivor 100% otherwise forget it

[Egomaniac]

To get around the “older mutants” not having a past you can always say there was a war going on in plain sight between Xavier and Eric. Both have been hiding in the shadows and fighting to keep mutants hidden with Eric wanting a more public display and Xavier wanting to remain hidden and train up those around him to control and help humanity....not perfect but you can’t have XMen without Xavier and Eric and Wric needs to be a Holocaust survivor 100% otherwise forget it

Magneto as a Holocaust survivor is getting to be a pretty hard sell. Considering we're probably looking at 5 or more years before they actually bring the X-Men into the MCU...Magneto would have to be like 90ish.

[eschatological]

They could possibly do a flashback movie or two.

Then, in the third movie, have a really old Magneto and Professor X have to deal with the Infinity War in their own way, and half of their people being snapped.

The problem, of course, being that it's really hard to imagine old Prof X and Magneto as anyone else but Stewart and McKellen, and IDK if they (esp McKellen) would make it to a third movie.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Hopefully they will keep the X-Men universe separate. Preferably entirely separate but at the most just have Scarlet Witch cross over because of Magneto and all. And I refuse to accept that she's no longer a mutant and not Magneto's daughter MCU can easily transition her to being a mutant in that Loki's staff awakened her and her brother's powers and they were the only ones that could survive the process was exactly because they're mutants.

As some one who stopped reading xmen what happened to make her not his daughter and not a mutant any more?

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Magneto as a Holocaust survivor is getting to be a pretty hard sell. Considering we're probably looking at 5 or more years before they actually bring the X-Men into the MCU...Magneto would have to be like 90ish.

Eh just add a second mutation that he aged slower.

[maccajoe]

I think you're missing the crux of the idea. That the snap that decimated the world populace and then the second snap that brought them back is what triggers the mutant gene. Essentially it causes mutants to spring up around the world. They would be a new phenomenon. Suddenly, all over the world people are discovering strange new powers. That could definitely cause strife and fear. It's one thing when people like Captain America and Thor have powers. It's another when suddenly Timmy from down the street can make people melt with his eyes.

It would change the X-Men origin, sure. But the MCU has already taken quite a few liberties with characterizations, so this would be no different. The biggest change would probably be that advocates for mutants like Prof. X and Magneto are brand new to the world.

This could certainly be a starting point. Problem being it wipes away the history of many x-men how the hell can logan be hundreds of years old? How can Magneto be persecuted for all those years.
If you literally start the x gene at 2020 all the "older" xmen have zero history as mutants. No school, no thing.

You would basically just have to start with a brand new slate of xmen with them in thier teens. No older xmen at all.

[s_bushido]

They missed a perfect opportunity to introduce characters like this when they reduced the Marvel multiverse to a deception by Mysterio in Far From Home.

The problem, of course, being that it's really hard to imagine old Prof X and Magneto as anyone else but Stewart and McKellen, and IDK if they (esp McKellen) would make it to a third movie.

Honestly, I've never really been sold on McKellen as Magneto... This is probably mostly because my vision of the X-Men is informed almost exclusively by the Jim Lee era comics and the 90s cartoon. It's also the reason I was extremely disappointed with the portrayal of Rogue (one of my favorite characters) in those movies.

[Egomaniac]

You would basically just have to start with a brand new slate of xmen with them in thier teens. No older xmen at all.

Well, that is how the X-men started out.

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They missed a perfect opportunity to introduce characters like this when they reduced the Marvel multiverse to a deception by Mysterio in Far From Home.

Just because Mysterio was lying about being from another Earth doesn't mean there can't still be a multiverse. Point of fact, the What if...? series they are bringing to Disney+ is going to be exploring other Earth's where things played out differently.

[s_bushido]

Just because Mysterio was lying about being from another Earth doesn't mean there can't still be a multiverse.

Yes, well I'm sure they could retcon it to be that he only came up with that story because he'd found out from some researchers on Stark's payroll (or something) that such a thing had actually happened. But it would all seem a bit too haphazard for them to introduce that as a lie in one movie and then turn around and say "nah, never mind, it was true all along!" in another.

It's the same way they pretty much guaranteed there would never be an Iron Man movie with the actual Mandarin after the story of IM3.

[ThatsOurEric]

do they know each other in the comics?

Spider-Man and Wolverine have had several fights, but they are on generally good terms.

Peter had a brief fight with Nightcrawler once.

He knows their secret identities, as in one instance, he went out of his way to say hi to
Cyclops who was in civilian disguise. Has a good relationship with the original members
(Ice-Man, Beast (who he is the closest to), Angel, Cyclops and Jean Grey).

[maccajoe]

Well, that is how the X-men started out.

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Just because Mysterio was lying about being from another Earth doesn't mean there can't still be a multiverse. Point of fact, the What if...? series they are bringing to Disney+ is going to be exploring other Earth's where things played out differently.

I dont think you understand my comment. If the mutant gene started with the snap(as the person suggested) the older xmen and the younger ones would both be mutants at the same time and that is not how it started.

Xavier, Logan and Magneto for example were mutants for decades before Jean, Iceman etc etc.

[Egomaniac]

Yes, well I'm sure they could retcon it to be that he only came up with that story because he'd found out from some researchers on Stark's payroll (or something) that such a thing had actually happened. But it would all seem a bit too haphazard for them to introduce that as a lie in one movie and then turn around and say "nah, never mind, it was true all along!" in another.

It's the same way they pretty much guaranteed there would never be an Iron Man movie with the actual Mandarin after the story of IM3.

Again, they are using the multiverse concept for "What if...?"

And the real Mandarin is going to be in the Shang Chi movie

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I dont think you understand my comment. If the mutant gene started with the snap(as the person suggested) the older xmen and the younger ones would both be mutants at the same time and that is not how it started.

Xavier, Logan and Magneto for example were mutants for decades before Jean, Iceman etc etc.

Sure...im just saying the original x-men were teenagers.

As for how things originally started...the MCU hasn't really followed the source material thus far...no reason why they should start now.

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Spider-Man and Wolverine have had several fights, but they are on generally good terms.

Peter had a brief fight with Nightcrawler once.

He knows their secret identities, as in one instance, he went out of his way to say hi to
Cyclops who was in civilian disguise. Has a good relationship with the original members
(Ice-Man, Beast (who he is the closest to), Angel, Cyclops and Jean Grey).

I wouldn't classify Beast as the X-man Peter is closest too... they've got some things in common but they don't really hang. He's probably closer to Logan than any of the others...sure, they've had their fights but Logan's got a soft spot for Pete.

https://imgur.com/gallery/KiW7W

[Naramag]

Wanda and Pietro were never labelled mutants in the MCU, but it doesn't say they aren't mutants. Their abilities were activated/created through Lokis Staff, the mind stone.

Now, Loki escaped after the battle of New York and has the space stone. He is somehow going to time travel and will be messing with the timelines. So maybe Wanda and Pietro were mutants, but it took the stone to activate the abilities and give them control over it. It could be possible, that Loki does something in the past that spreads the effect farther.

And Sokovia was shown as some country in eastern europe. As a holocaust survivor, it wouldn't be unusual, that he at some point lived in Sokovia, had a wife and kids there. His mutation could be slowing down his aging and he could have survived the explosion, unbeknownst to his children.

This event could even triggered his decision to move against mankind and form his brotherhood.

And Xavier gathering mutants in his school could also be something that happened back in the past. He just don't have a reason to go public with it. Even more so, you could see flashbacks were mutant incidents were masked through his telepathic powers as accidents, natural desasters, etc.
You could tie in SHIELD who reacted to these incidents but were telepathic reprogrammed to "forget about it". And then Magneto decides to to something big and cause an incident so large that Xavier can't hide it with his powers and voila, now the world knows mutants were along them a long time. And that could spark the hate and pushback against the mutants. Because the media could paint it as a big conspiracy.

[maccajoe]

Again, they are using the multiverse concept for "What if...?"

And the real Mandarin is going to be in the Shang Chi movie

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Sure...im just saying the original x-men were teenagers.

As for how things originally started...the MCU hasn't really followed the source material thus far...no reason why they should start now.

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I wouldn't classify Beast as the X-man Peter is closest too... they've got some things in common but they don't really hang. He's probably closer to Logan than any of the others...sure, they've had their fights but Logan's got a soft spot for Pete.

https://imgur.com/gallery/KiW7W

Lol wut i never said they wernt teenagers..... They also had Prof X leading them by that time was a mutant for decades as well as Magneto.

Also sure the MCU dsnt follow the main Marvel universe beat for beat but its a mixture of multiple marvel iterations its not like its completely random or different. Thor is Thor, Tony Stark is Iron man. The MCU has tweaks and changes not completely different things. Mostly more in common with the Ultimate universe.

Having all mutants get powers at the same time is quite drastic. Even the ultimate version of Mutants has older mutants existing for decades and not thousands of years like the main universe.
If they want to introduce mutants in the current main mcu timeline they are going to have to do it like the ultimate universe imo.

[Egomaniac]

Lol wut i never said they wernt teenagers..... They also had Prof X leading them by that time was a mutant for decades as well as Magneto.

This is what you said:

You would basically just have to start with a brand new slate of xmen with them in thier teens. No older xmen at all.

All I said was that the original X-men were all in their teens. There were no older X-men until later.

Having all mutants get powers at the same time is quite drastic. Even the ultimate version of Mutants has older mutants existing for decades and not thousands of years like the main universe.

Not really that drastic. At that time the X-Men were created mutation was explained as a relatively new thing...so most mutants were in their teens or twenties. Yes, there were a handful of older mutants like Xavier and Magneto...but the thinking at the time was that it was really kickstarted at the beginning of the Nuclear Age. Mutants existing for thousands of years was an idea that wasn't thought of until much later.

[Clone]

Read the last sentence that you quoted again:

My reading comprehension is fine thank you. What you said is it can affect adults, it doesn't give them established history. They'd just be new mutants who are adults.