People demanding “action” on climate change

[XangXu]

I’m just curious if there is an official definition on the “action” governments should take when people mass protest. Because honestly, i’m not sure they themselves truly understand. I don’t think it means recycling more, or doing away with plastic straws.

When I think of “action” on climate change, I’m thinking hardboiled, cut-the-shit, REAL ACTION. New laws that are increadibly inconvenient to everyone. Life affecting laws that would have your morning shower being turned off automatically to conserve water. Limiting the gallons of fuel, per month, you could burn in your vehicle. Regulating the meat industry heavily. Etc.

I think while real action needs to be taken, people don’t quite understand that it means living a drastically different and almost dystopian lifestyle.

[Afrospinach]

People love to talk.

What is that, new black friday sales record? The votes are in. People say one thing and they do another. No one *really* gives a shit.

[infinit]

was watching a video the other day of a bunch of climate protesters trying to block some airport... quite a few of them were just laying down on the road playing on their phones a few even had a full plate meal.. it was hilarious

[Daedius]

Action = Taxing the Middle Class, leaving the industrial/logistics sector (and by extension the wealthy) alone.

[Spectral]

Taxing carbon emissions and nuclearizing the electrical sector are straightforward solutions available to developed countries that wouldn't require anyone live a "drastically different and almost dystopian lifestyle". Throw in government-backed geoengineering research and we'd have a pretty good start on solving the problem without radically reshaping anyone's life.

More to the point, protestors aren't the ones that need to have a full grasp of technocratic policy solutions. Their goal is to identify a problem and drive politicians to begin action, not to pass out information on what the exact appropriate Pigovian tax levels or direction of research is.

[Flarelaine]

More to the point, protestors aren't the ones that need to have a full grasp of technocratic policy solutions. Their goal is to identify a problem and drive politicians to begin action, not to pass out information on what the exact appropriate Pigovian tax levels or direction of research is.

I don't often find myself agreeing with you, but this is spot on.

[Ripster42]

Taxing carbon emissions and nuclearizing the electrical sector are straightforward solutions available to developed countries that wouldn't require anyone live a "drastically different and almost dystopian lifestyle". Throw in government-backed geoengineering research and we'd have a pretty good start on solving the problem without radically reshaping anyone's life.

More to the point, protestors aren't the ones that need to have a full grasp of technocratic policy solutions. Their goal is to identify a problem and drive politicians to begin action, not to pass out information on what the exact appropriate Pigovian tax levels or direction of research is.

To stress this position, if the only people who were allowed to protest were people who fully understood not only the problems, but the solutions to those problems, no one would ever be allowed to protest anything. It's something only an idiot or troll would posit as a topic of discussion.

[Spectral]

To stress this position, if the only people who were allowed to protest were people who fully understood not only the problems, but the solutions to those problems, no one would ever be allowed to protest anything. It's something only an idiot or troll would posit as a topic of discussion.

If I didn't know better, I might suspect that suppression of public activism is exactly the goal of people pushing the kind of line OP is. Nah, couldn't be...

[callipygoustp]

Don't worry about it. Everything will be okay.

[Dug]

Dystopian lifestyle lol

Like what not eating obscene portions with beef for every meal? The horror

[BigToast]

I’m just curious if there is an official definition on the “action” governments should take when people mass protest. Because honestly, i’m not sure they themselves truly understand. I don’t think it means recycling more, or doing away with plastic straws.

When I think of “action” on climate change, I’m thinking hardboiled, cut-the-shit, REAL ACTION. New laws that are increadibly inconvenient to everyone. Life affecting laws that would have your morning shower being turned off automatically to conserve water. Limiting the gallons of fuel, per month, you could burn in your vehicle. Regulating the meat industry heavily. Etc.

I think while real action needs to be taken, people don’t quite understand that it means living a drastically different and almost dystopian lifestyle.

https://berniesanders.com/en/issues/green-new-deal/

[Cizr]

was watching a video the other day of a bunch of climate protesters trying to block some airport... quite a few of them were just laying down on the road playing on their phones a few even had a full plate meal.. it was hilarious

Climate protesters in my country who were uni students started just lying in university hallways. They have been doing it for days and their classmates who have to step around them are complaining that they smell but ofcourse that wont stop our righteous climate change activists.

They should rather go plant some trees or something but that would be actual work.

[PC2]

-For climate change, problem 'avoidance' policies are doomed for failure as there is no way to know how much avoidance will fix the issue and whether or not it's even possible to avoid most CC side effects in the next century. What we want is problem solving "actions" as opposed to policy that discourages human activity.

-The voters of a country will eventually get tired of paying for restriction-based policies that do not offer guaranteed solutions.

-We don't even know the optimal CO2 PPM for the planet. For all we know an extra 50 CO2 PPM could be optimal for agriculture and plant growth.

-Advances in geo-enginnering and sequestration will be the method for controlling measures like PPM in the future.

[unbound]

I’m just curious if there is an official definition on the “action” governments should take when people mass protest. Because honestly, i’m not sure they themselves truly understand. I don’t think it means recycling more, or doing away with plastic straws.

When I think of “action” on climate change, I’m thinking hardboiled, cut-the-shit, REAL ACTION. New laws that are increadibly inconvenient to everyone. Life affecting laws that would have your morning shower being turned off automatically to conserve water. Limiting the gallons of fuel, per month, you could burn in your vehicle. Regulating the meat industry heavily. Etc.

I think while real action needs to be taken, people don’t quite understand that it means living a drastically different and almost dystopian lifestyle.

The fundamental reality is that our industrial operations need to change. Only 90 companies are responsible for about 2/3 of the climate change CO2 problem. Because of the corporate (and top executive) addiction to money, it will require government action to force those companies to shift their processes.

Real action needs to be taken, and people will need to make changes in their day-to-day lives, but we need to understand that individual behavior will only affect this by 5% to 10%. To truly address climate change, we need to go after the corporations to make them responsible for more than just profit, and stop blinding accepting their PR that you as an individual is the most important factor (heck, I've even seen commercials from the biggest polluters trying to tell people to change their habits).

Other things that the governments can do is to make it substantially easier and beneficial to turn to green technologies. Oil and gas industries wouldn't exist without huge investments by governments long ago...we need to do the same with green technologies. Heck, even today with fossil fuel corporations making huge profits, the US government spends ten times more on them than on green technologies; that needs to be reversed immediately.

[NM 156]

I for one am hoping for a gigantic multinational song and dance number. Imagine at like 00:00 Greenwich time we all go outside and sing "Go away carbon go away". Should fix things right up.

[Yadryonych]

I for one am hoping for a gigantic multinational song and dance number. Imagine at like 00:00 Greenwich time we all go outside and sing "Go away carbon go away". Should fix things right up.

Pretty much this. Those protests seem to be some form of escapism when people pretend to do something significant and important

[ParanoiD84]

People demanding things will only piss people off.

[Skroe]

Dystopian lifestyle lol

Like what not eating obscene portions with beef for every meal? The horror

Given our civlization's historic problems with hunger, and especially access to beef, Climate Change dictating what people can and cannot eat is non-negotiable.

Find another way. But the morality (and to a great degree, historic success) of fighting hunger and bringing nutrition to the world supercedes the climate cause.

We can go after industrialized farming after we've starting to build nuclear plants at a prodigious rate, replaced coal and gas, and electrified transportation.

[Puupi]

The best solution for most of humanity's problems is to reduce like 50-80% of the population. 1 child policy for two generations. Globally.

[NED funded]

People quite literally almost overthrew their own governments because of an increase in fuel taxes. People don't want action :/