Poll: If the universe was infinite then would Azeroth exist?

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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Inukashi View Post
    infinity of universes, doesn't mean infinity of possibilities.
    wrong. it means exactly this.

    i assume you were already wrong in your statement: you said „infinity of universeS“ the „s“ at the end implies you talk about multiverse theory and not the infinity of the univese (without s). because when you take bubble theory (everett graham wheeler model, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many...interpretation) it is exactly the case that everything that CAN happen, in some universe WILL happen. this is meant for every single combination of atoms. which ofc let also exist a warcraft universe and everything you can imagine and that fullfills the rules of our known universe. in example in the warcraft universe magic can exist if it falls under the rules of psychics and is just simply somethimg we understand not yet. as long as it is possible by atomar combinations it can exist there. in short: everything is possible.

    when you take away the s, THEN you will be right. just because our (one and only) universe is infinite, doesnt mean somewhere out there is i.e. draenor. the chance are not that high that this will happen.

  2. #22
    there are infitine numbers between 1 and 2, but none of them is 3

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by visualdave View Post
    But if it was never ending how could you ultimately prove this?

    Fuck that would mean Sargeras might be about to pull up on us
    Nope the thing you quotes is actually true.

    Assuming the universe was infinite, it would mean an universe where Azeroth could exist exists.
    However, every possible alternate universe needs it's laws of nature that are consistent.. yes, even magic would need rules. So basically the universe that could have created Azeroth was probably annihilated a fraction of a nanosecond after it was born. There's just too much stuff that is waved away with "wizard did it".

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by visualdave View Post
    If the universe was infinite then would Azeroth exist? Vote in the poll!
    It is never ending and is ever expanding. So, there is no "if" to it. That being said, maybe?? We can't say that a planet like it doesn't exist, given that the universe is so vast and ever expanding, but we also can't say that it does. Though the likelyhood that a planet that is 100% identical to the made up Azeroth, histroy included, is pretty much 0%.
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    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

  5. #25
    Things exist in the Warcraft universe that cannot exist in the real universe. Perhaps in another universe in the multiverse where different physical laws and constants can occur.

    But no not our universe.

  6. #26
    Infinite universe just means that anything that's possible within the laws of physics, happens somewhere.

    The Warcraftverse has a lot of inconsistencies with the laws of our universe. So, there's definitely no Azeroth out there.

    Multiverse may give some hope to some. But it seems very unlikely that the universal laws of the Warcraftverse could be realistic in any stable universe.

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    The universe is not infinite but Azeroth does exist.

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    If the universe was infinite and all things exist, there would have been at least one universe destroying bomb that would have wiped out everything in existence. Therefore we can conclude there is no such thing.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    Things exist in the Warcraft universe that cannot exist in the real universe. Perhaps in another universe in the multiverse where different physical laws and constants can occur.

    But no not our universe.
    This universe sucks...

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    If the universe was infinite and all things exist, there would have been at least one universe destroying bomb that would have wiped out everything in existence. Therefore we can conclude there is no such thing.
    Yea or an universe of universe-traveling murlocs that opened a portal to our Earth in the year 1802. Clearly that also didn't happen.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Frolk View Post
    With an infinite universe, there are infinite copies of EVERYTHING, including us, one where i am Batman, another one were Batman and DC comics dosnt exist, 1 were Azeroth is real and 1 were Azeroth is part of our "normal" world.
    You might not like it, but this is how it is, or were part of a multi-verse and 1 of the other universes are likes the ones i described.
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  12. #32
    Ofc now you need to think... The 'big bounce theory' (look it up) states this isn't possible. All ideas of physics and chemistry in the make up of our universe points the conclusion.
    However who knows, there could be an iteration of the universe where our phisics differ and magic is possible. Only the infinite draginfloght would know!!

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    Fortunately or unfortunately no. Magic isn't real for one. Two life has to follow rules. Same reason why humans can't really live to be 8 foot, because it causes circulation/heart problems. The life would have to develop to it's rules. It's probably impossible for two intelligent lifeforms to develop on the same planet (intelligence in the sense of human level or more).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    If the universe was infinite and all things exist, there would have been at least one universe destroying bomb that would have wiped out everything in existence. Therefore we can conclude there is no such thing.
    Or, we are living in the universe where this doesn't happen.

  14. #34
    Infinite doesn't mean you can disregard laws of physics within said universe. if we are talking about infinite multi-verses then sure, absolutely.
    Universal forces determines limits, thus there are a limit to the amount of possibilities even if the universe is infinite. Assuming matter is not finite, because if it's finite that also becomes a limit to how many possibilities can exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by visualdave View Post
    If the universe was infinite then would Azeroth exist? Vote in the poll!
    No, because the definition of 'infinite' is not 'makes fictional stuff come to life'. Azeroth begins and ends in the minds of a bunch of people at Blizzard entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frolk View Post
    With an infinite universe, there are infinite copies of EVERYTHING, including us, one were i am Batman, another one were Batman and DC comics dosnt exist, 1 were Azeroth is real and 1 were Azeroth is part of our "normal" world.
    You might not like it, but this is how it is, or were part of a multi-verse and 1 of the other universes are likes the ones i described.
    Nope, infinite means without limit, not that everything you can think of is guaranteed to exist somehow. A cosmos that is infinite in scope doesn't necessarily entail that it is infinite in variety. There could be an infinite number of parallel universes that are all pretty much like ours, which means you would have an infinite number of universes and not one of them would have a 'real' Superman or Batman.

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    Azeroth is how it is because of all the magic involved in its history. There is not any scientific theory right now that could support all this magic in the real univers. The univers could be infinite, but it would continue to be ruled by the laws of physics we know.

    Maybe there could be a planet where sincretic evolution resulted in various humanoid spices living together, but for now we can’t asume that the clossing of a massive interdimentional portal would sunder this world creating new continents for example.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Niwes View Post
    wrong. it means exactly this.

    i assume you were already wrong in your statement: you said „infinity of universeS“ the „s“ at the end implies you talk about multiverse theory and not the infinity of the univese (without s). because when you take bubble theory (everett graham wheeler model, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many...interpretation) it is exactly the case that everything that CAN happen, in some universe WILL happen. this is meant for every single combination of atoms. which ofc let also exist a warcraft universe and everything you can imagine and that fullfills the rules of our known universe. in example in the warcraft universe magic can exist if it falls under the rules of psychics and is just simply somethimg we understand not yet. as long as it is possible by atomar combinations it can exist there. in short: everything is possible.

    when you take away the s, THEN you will be right. just because our (one and only) universe is infinite, doesnt mean somewhere out there is i.e. draenor. the chance are not that high that this will happen.
    This gets into some weird stuff with sets that I'm not nearly qualified enough to answer properly, but here's my thinking. If you have universes of infinite size you can create an infinite set of them without even having to have a different physics in any of them. Since the universes are infinite, there are always more re-arrangements, even with a consistent physics throughout the set. This is assuming that they're even different, and you're not looking at an infinite number of identical universes.

    You can have variations in physics, but it's not required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwes View Post
    wrong. it means exactly this.

    i assume you were already wrong in your statement: you said „infinity of universeS“ the „s“ at the end implies you talk about multiverse theory and not the infinity of the univese (without s). because when you take bubble theory (everett graham wheeler model, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many...interpretation) it is exactly the case that everything that CAN happen, in some universe WILL happen. this is meant for every single combination of atoms. which ofc let also exist a warcraft universe and everything you can imagine and that fullfills the rules of our known universe. in example in the warcraft universe magic can exist if it falls under the rules of psychics and is just simply somethimg we understand not yet. as long as it is possible by atomar combinations it can exist there. in short: everything is possible.

    when you take away the s, THEN you will be right. just because our (one and only) universe is infinite, doesnt mean somewhere out there is i.e. draenor. the chance are not that high that this will happen.
    Yeah but this is exactly what I've ment. 'As long as it is phyiscally possible'. There is a set of rules and it doesn't matter if we understand or we don't. Things outside of that ruleset can't happen.
    You can have an infinite growing number that never gets bigger than one. It doesn't matter if there's infinite posssibilities in this number. It will never reach the value of 1.
    If a titan egg with a lot of mages, orcs, timewalkers on it is within that set of rules.. I don't know.

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    Azeroth exists within our hearts and minds.

    That’s all you need.

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