Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Okay, did Blizzard offer any actual suggestions?
You see, that's kinda the problem whenever Blizzard talks about "discussion", it's the community arguing with eachother while Blizzard watches and then present people with already made decisions.
Blizzard is not an active participant of the discussion towards the community.
That aside, no_one_said "only use 1.12 content, anything before that is offlimits!", you can screech at at the #nochanges people all you want, but most of them would have been pretty chill if Blizzard had said "we want to use 1.6 AV because we believe that's the experience people want to have in AV in Classic".
There, read their bluepost and tell me whether you find Blizzard at any point saying "people want 1.12, so that's what we're giving them", not at any point their even suggested they decision has anything to do with "#no changes".
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...classic/128908
Also, there are handful of examples on Classic that aren't consistent with 1.12, such as:
-Mounts (Mounts are expensive, riding is cheap)
-Loot tables in BRD / LBRS
-"Catch up" loot in max level dungeons (the blue Cloth head from Drakkisath is better than the Mage / Warlock T2 headpiece for example)
Minor things, but there for some reason Blizzard was willing to shelve the 1.12 state.
Last edited by Kralljin; 2020-01-08 at 12:54 AM.
It's still possible to make Classic+ a reality, but the community would need to rally that towards Blizzard BEFORE they just up and announce TBC being released.
I actually have WiP discord server with some ideas for Classic+
There would be some changes to some of the Vanilla content while also introducing new content.
The goal would be that Classic would exist as mostly a museum section of the game with very minimal changes and would not be impacted by the new content while the new content would feel like Classic WoW more so than it would feel like TBC and beyond.
In terms of what the game could look like (in my opinion) we have:
A: The content release ends with Naxx. The game either stagnates from there or Blizzard wipes servers periodically for re-progression. Probably the death of the game long term.
B: The Classic servers are upgraded to TBC without your input. You either play TBC or you quit. This would reduce player count as there are undoubtedly many players who prefer Classic Classic and would not want to move on to TBC.
C: You create new TBC servers. This would allow people to choose which version of the game they would like but would probably split the playerbase and kill of already small Classic Vanilla servers.
D: They decide to make Classic+ with community-driven feedback reusing old assets and areas from future expansions but altered to fit Classic's design.
I personally think that D is the best timeline.
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Yes, and?
I really have no idea why people feel the need to bring "#nochanges" up, i'm not suggesting that Blizzard should put anything into AV that wasn't in Vanilla.
Rather, i'm asking to put things in there that were removed over the course of Vanilla.
People aren't losing their crap over the other issues, why would they lose it over AV?
Because it's less efficient in terms of honor? You know, how the BG was generally seen over the course of Classic.
Because the battles are longer? The thing Classic AV has been famous for.
Take the lack of "catch up" blue from max level dungeons, it would have ruined a lot of the classic experience if even more raid items are worse than dungeon blues and are solely in because they're a part of 1.12.
Blizzard excluded them, because it improved the overall experience, as this catch up gear isn't even necessary at this stage.
The reality is, the current classic enviroment is a hodgepodge of 1.12 state, with content somehow being plastered over it and Blizzard sometimes just lapsing back to a non 1.12 version of things for no real reason.
Blizzard also chose 1.12 as their "default" version, despite the fact that some people wanted progressive servers, it's not like some people's suggestions (which aren't even related to nochanges) were ignored.
AV is in my opinion the picture perfect example where Blizzard should have chosen to break away from the 1.12 default client and chosen a previous version that is closer to the original spirit of AV.
Heck, their entire content release schedule is in itself a breakaway from the 1.12 state because 1.12 had everything.
Not everybody can get want they want, question is, was the decision to use 1.12 AV over a previous version really the lesser of two evils?
No, they chose 1.12 as the patch to base everything on, because shits like you would never have agreed to a pick-and-choose selection of "the best parts of all Classic patches".
That simple.
Its a very simple to understand decision:
Pick a single patch, base everything on that, make no exceptions and never deviate.
Because while YOU might have wanted AV 1.6 or whatever, OTHERS probably didn't. While YOU might have wanted a talent tree build from 1.8 for a particular class, OTHERS DID NOT.
So, rather than try to picka nd choose and please no one, they just picked one (the one that even back in Vanilla they considered the most complete form of WoW) and went with it, full stop.
Any time you want to quit whining like a 2 year old about it, let us know.
Until then, enjoy ignore.
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No it isn't, because no one agrees what that is.
I 100% guarantee you my thoughts on Classic+ and yours are incompatible.
its a loser from minute one.
Not sure why so many people are against fixing what was broken in vanilla. It's possible to do without ruining the core vanilla gameplay and philisophy. #somechanges are needed.
It's not that Blizzard cant... its Blizzard has made the choice not to.
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When people sign on to the 'somechanges' team what they are actually signing onto is the 'mychanges' team, because lets face it, changes you disagree with will cause a severe adverse reaction, despite the claim of 'somechanges' are needed.
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Last edited by OriginalName; 2020-01-08 at 06:38 AM.
Because...they didn't Classic to be a constant work, they made it to make people who wanted to play Classic a legit way to play it...make a little extra money. They went with the final version...it's not their fault you all will never be happy and basically expect them to make you a new game just to placate you.
Then you probably need to get everyone together and get them to all agree on which version of Frankenvanilla you really want..
Because 1.5 version of this, and 1.8 version of that and 1.12 version of something else all cobbled together isn't going to be 'Vanilla'... it will be Frankenvanilla. The sad thing is that each of you pissing and moaning about wanting to fix this or that or change this or that for 'reasons' further validates that guy that said 'you think you do but you dont'.
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bruh you completely missed the mark of what I wrote.
I've not asked for any changes or fixes, i've just pointed out that other people (private servers) have done a much better and more thorough job than blizzard have, which is a dang shame because it reeks of laziness.
As Seranthor pointed out, putting together elements from 1.5, 1.8, 1.12 etcetera will simply makes a frankenvanilla, which you guys somehow attribute to what I want, when I would rather have actual patch cycles, i.e not frankenvanilla but vanilla.
I don't think it would take much more work, since, again private servers have been able to do this for years. Either way, I don't get your gripe with me, you're saying I shouldn't be arguing for a better product as a (core) customer of Classic content? That's not placation.
Last edited by OriginalName; 2020-01-08 at 06:52 AM.
Nonsense. There are people who were content to play on private servers for like, a decade. All the while begging for Classic servers. And now the people who don't appreciate Classic for what it is, expect Blizz to create what amounts to fanfiction AU Classic servers with retail flourishes. Defeating the very purpose of Classic (experiencing WoW as it was) in the first place.
No. Just... no.
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Amen.
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What happened to #nochanges? You can't change your oppinion when its covenient for you.
I think people dont really feel like this is a big thing when hordes actually win all the games except when they play against ally premades. That prolly makes hordes have like 95% win ratio in AVs.
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