CNN releases audio between Warren and Sanders

[Elegiac]

Yeah, that's basically my feeling as well.

This "There is footage from Sanders going back decades when he says he thinks a woman could be president. I guess behind closed doors he is just another agent of the patriarchy!" is irrelevant to whether or not Warren was lying, because I don't think that's what she was suggesting he said, and is very likely indeed not what he said.

But if you're already predisposed to dislike Warren for whatever reason, I guess you can just decide to assume she was lying.

One day I would like to be able to have a discussion about gender bias in politics without brocialists insisting that doing so is just a pandering tactic. Le sigh.

[starlord]

One day I would like to be able to have a discussion about gender bias in politics without brocialists insisting that doing so is just a pandering tactic. Le sigh.

its also apparently a forbidden topic even if it forms the basis of a scandal.

[JohnBrown1917]

One day I would like to be able to have a discussion about gender bias in politics without brocialists insisting that doing so is just a pandering tactic. Le sigh.

Maybe one day you guys will stop calling people brosocialists because they are too the left of you. Did Berniebro did work out that well or what? What is going to be the next attempt at this?

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There's a difference between "a woman could do the job" and "the public are willing and ready to vote for a woman". I think it's clear Sanders has a long history of the former, but that doesn't say anything about the latter, which I think is what he was saying in the comment Warren is talking about.

It's not actually a statement about the capabilities of women, it's a statement about misogyny in the electorate.

I think Bernie Sanders believes a woman could be President, but have a hard time being elected by an electorate that still harbors a lot of misogyny, and that there's no inherent conflict between the two statements.

I also think, if that's what he'd meant, he should've just fucking admitted to what he said and explained that context. The whole thing is a giant mess on both sides.

Or maybe he said neither.
This Warren's mess, nobody elses. No matter what you all dream up.


I suppose seeing actuall left-wing politicions is scary too some, we saw the same smears with Corbyn, its predicable at this point.

[Reeve]

Maybe one day you guys will stop calling people brosocialists because they are too the left of you. Did Berniebro did work out that well or what? What is going to be the next attempt at this?

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Or maybe he said neither.
This Warren's mess, nobody elses. No matter what you all dream up.


I suppose seeing actuall left-wing politicions is scary too some, we saw the same smears with Corbyn, its predicable at this point.

You think Warren is significantly to the right of Sanders? She's right there along with him, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[Elegiac]

Maybe one day you guys will stop calling people brosocialists because they are too the left of you. Did Berniebro did work out that well or what? What is going to be the next attempt at this?

Brocialism isn't a function of relative leftness, it's a function of chauvinism. Nor is it entirely synonymous with Bernie Bros since not every brocialist is a Bernie supporter and vice versa.

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You think Warren is significantly to the right of Sanders? She's right there along with him, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

As above. Despite there being a lack of any significant ideological or even policy divergence compared to the other candidates, brocialists will construct ridiculous criteria to ensure that the only true socialist just happens to end up being a white dude.

It's less about a progressive agenda and more in the vein of "establishment bad, give me money" that propels the Yang Gang and bolstered Ron Paul back in the day.

[starlord]

You think Warren is significantly to the right of Sanders? She's right there along with him, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

its almost as if warren were being judged by different standards than bernie.

[GreenJesus]

So wait Left twitter and other people are mad at Sanders for embracing a Rogan endorsement but are totally fine with Clinton on Howard Stern? I tend to think that Joe Rogan is a far better human being then Howard Stern was? But again everyone can and has down horrible shit from me to you to anyone, grow up and get over it.

This is how Democrats lose.

Lol that is a good point. Howard Stern literally had women have sex on his show and watched them like a creep. Why isn't left twitter condemning Hillary for being on that misogynist's show?

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Brocialism isn't a function of relative leftness, it's a function of chauvinism. Nor is it entirely synonymous with Bernie Bros since not every brocialist is a Bernie supporter and vice versa.

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As above. Despite there being a lack of any significant ideological or even policy divergence compared to the other candidates, brocialists will construct ridiculous criteria to ensure that the only true socialist just happens to end up being a white dude.

It's less about a progressive agenda and more in the vein of "establishment bad, give me money" that propels the Yang Gang and bolstered Ron Paul back in the day.

I think it's ridiculous to say Bernie's supporters are all just a bunch of "bernie bros". Women support Bernie too. Bernie is the highest polling democrat right now. Warren has done enough to show she isn't a sincere human being like Bernie is.

[Elegiac]

I think it's ridiculous to say Bernie's supporters are all just a bunch of "bernie bros". Women support Bernie too. Bernie is the highest polling democrat right now. Warren has done enough to show she isn't a sincere human being like Bernie is.

Brocialism isn't a function of relative leftness, it's a function of chauvinism. Nor is it entirely synonymous with Bernie Bros since not every brocialist is a Bernie supporter and vice versa.

Bernie Bros not actually reading posts and replying from the same list of talking points that are applied to every candidate except Bernie? Shocking.

Get better material.

[Egomaniac]

So essentially when there are no republicans to hate on the democrats turn on eachother. Brilliant.

Exactly the same thing that happens every single time either party is going through the process of deciding their next presidential candidate.

[Elegiac]

Exactly the same thing that happens every single time either party is going through the process of deciding their next presidential candidate.

It's like none of these people actually remember 2015-2016.

[GreenJesus]

Bernie Bros not actually reading posts and replying from the same list of talking points that are applied to every candidate except Bernie? Shocking.

Get better material.

I mean.. what exactly are you trying to say? People don't believe Warren because the whole "scandal" isn't even an issue in the first place and yet Warren pretends like it's some huge scandal and tried to smear Bernie at the perfect political moment to do so. It's obvious to everyone including the voters based on new polling that Warren's attempts at smearing Bernie as some old white mysogynist failed. "Are you calling me a liar on national TV??" *with CNN cameras ready to pick it up* *eyeroll* She's so dramatic. She could have easily just said "I'm sure there was a misunderstanding or something, because Bernie has stood for women's issues for decades and was even the one who first convinced me to run in the first place." But noooo.. She wanted to try to take advantage of the smear and play the "But I'm a woman and I have a vaginnaaaaaaa"

"Alexa play video of Greta Thornberg saying How Dare you"

[starlord]

warren had the perfect evil plan! it was so perfect that it didn't work!


lol.

[Elegiac]

I mean.. what exactly are you trying to say? People don't believe Warren because the whole "scandal" isn't even an issue in the first place and yet Warren pretends like it's some huge scandal and tried to smear Bernie at the perfect political moment to do so. It's obvious to everyone including the voters based on new polling that Warren's attempts at smearing Bernie as some old white mysogynist failed. "Are you calling me a liar on national TV??" *with CNN cameras ready to pick it up* *eyeroll* She's so dramatic. She could have easily just said "I'm sure there was a misunderstanding or something, because Bernie has stood for women's issues for decades and was even the one who first convinced me to run in the first place." But noooo.. She wanted to try to take advantage of the smear and play the "But I'm a woman and I have a vaginnaaaaaaa"

"Alexa play video of Greta Thornberg saying How Dare you"

Yes, she could have. But she didn't, and appeared to voice genuine frustration.

Hey, just so you know - the idea that women weaponise their sex and automatically assuming that any criticism is doing so is in itself sexist. This is why people are pointing out the disparity in scrutiny.

Again, the idea that someone has never said or done anything problematic in their life beggars a lot more belief.

[GreenJesus]

Yes, she could have. But she didn't, and appeared to voice genuine frustration.

Hey, just so you know - the idea that women weaponise their sex and automatically assuming that any criticism is doing so is in itself sexist. This is why people are pointing out the disparity in scrutiny.

Again, the idea that someone has never said or done anything problematic in their life beggars a lot more belief.

But what was Warren doing if it WASN'T trying to weaponize her sex against Bernie and try to put him in a "Me Too" situation where you have to believe the woman because women are always right? Enlighten me. She completely overreacted over a comment from 2 years ago (that even if true) wouldn't even be a big deal. Like refusing to shake his hand and screaming at him while on camera that he's calling her a liar. "How dare you not believe me! I'm a woman!"

[Egomaniac]

But what was Warren doing if it WASN'T trying to weaponize her sex against Bernie and try to put him in a "Me Too" situation where you have to believe the woman because women are always right? Enlighten me. She completely overreacted over a comment from 2 years ago (that even if true) wouldn't even be a big deal. Like refusing to shake his hand and screaming at him while on camera that he's calling her a liar. "How dare you not believe me! I'm a woman!"

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware she said "You have to believe me...I'm a woman"

[Elegiac]

screaming at him while on camera that he's calling her a liar. "How dare you not believe me! I'm a woman!"

"Screaming at him", huh?

You do know that you're not helping your case by insinuating that a woman talking sternly to someone is equivalent to hysterics, right?

[JohnBrown1917]

Lol that is a good point. Howard Stern literally had women have sex on his show and watched them like a creep. Why isn't left twitter condemning Hillary for being on that misogynist's show?

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I think it's ridiculous to say Bernie's supporters are all just a bunch of "bernie bros". Women support Bernie too. Bernie is the highest polling democrat right now. Warren has done enough to show she isn't a sincere human being like Bernie is.

Majority of Sanders support actually comes from women. Its just a pathetic way for libs to try and erase them.

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Exactly the same thing that happens every single time either party is going through the process of deciding their next presidential candidate.

Can't be as terrible as 2008, Clinton really showed the world how racist she was.

[Egomaniac]

Can't be as terrible as 2008, Clinton really showed the world how racist she was.

Trump says: Hold my beer.

[Trashimpaler]

One day I would like to be able to have a discussion about gender bias in politics without brocialists insisting that doing so is just a pandering tactic. Le sigh.

Gender politics about issues which actually matter to women yes. But you people tend to blather on about micro-aggressions and shit like that which affect no one. If you wanted to talk about, say, the historically low success of the prosecution of rapists or the mortality rate of female infants in ghettos we can talk....but otherwise just shut up and be quiet, you aren't helping any one, not even the few women who expect to receive the presidency on grounds of having a vagina.

[Levelfive]

"Screaming at him", huh?

You do know that you're not helping your case by insinuating that a woman talking sternly to someone is equivalent to hysterics, right?

I've had actual conversations on this site where posters insist there's no subconscious sexism in, say, hiring because everyone knows men are just better at stuff. So yeah, it's fun watching people insist there's no sexism against Warren, the lying, treacherous hysteric.