Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Telogrus]

It's almost like there are known, historic reasons for not wanting Sanders as the nominee. He is a train wreck with pie-in-the-sky push-conservatives-away ideas that will keep Trump in office. At this point it's Warren or Biden.

Weren’t you guys just whining about Joe Rogan endorsing him?

[mvaliz]

It's almost like there are known, historic reasons for not wanting Sanders as the nominee. He is a train wreck with pie-in-the-sky push-conservatives-away ideas that will keep Trump in office. At this point it's Warren or Biden.

Other than "GyyyaaahhhSOCALIZM" idiots out there, there isn't actually any "historic" reasons for not wanting Sanders as the Nominee as his universal healthcare option is VERY popular, even in rural states. Heck, you want historic reasons to NOT vote for Biden? Look how people reacted when the DNC emails came out against Sanders, and the superdelegates went against their constituents! Yes, Bernie still would've lost mathematically - that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the image it sent the rest of the country have for the DNC after pulling that stunt! That just fueled hatred for the DNC from everybody, not just "Bernie or Busters".

[cubby]

The reason she is getting bashed presently is because the other day a story broke that she reportedly commented in a documentary that hasn't released yet that 'nobody (in government) likes Bernie' and thus Bernie's cult is now out for blood.

Which is rather funny since what she said is basically an objectively true fact... Republicans don't like him for obvious reasons, he's a leftist who caucuses with Democrats... And almost the entirety of the Democrat establishment outside of a few fringe leftist retards don't like him because he has spurned their establishment his entire career and is now using them for his own gain.

If this information about Bernie is even remotely true, he has to be abandoned - cast aside for someone who might have a chance at bringing the two parties back to a working relationship (I know, I know). How many more reasons do we need before we can objectively dump him? What are his strengths again? His supporters like him?

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Weren’t you guys just whining about Joe Rogan endorsing him?

What? /10char

[eschatological]

Other than "GyyyaaahhhSOCALIZM" idiots out there, there isn't actually any "historic" reasons for not wanting Sanders as the Nominee as his universal healthcare option is VERY popular, even in rural states. Heck, you want historic reasons to NOT vote for Biden? Look how people reacted when the DNC emails came out against Sanders, and the superdelegates went against their constituents! Yes, Bernie still would've lost mathematically - that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the image it sent the rest of the country have for the DNC after pulling that stunt! That just fueled hatred for the DNC from everybody, not just "Bernie or Busters".

Again, those EMails were all 1) after Hillary had mathematically all but won the nomination, 2) Bernie refused to concede (and did not concede even through the convention, 2) were ideas that were NEVER IMPLEMENTED IN REAL LIFE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, and 3) were merely used by Bernie supporters to lather themselves up in a frothing rage, whine about how rigged the DNC process was, and then sit out the general, without any actual, rational look at the facts.

I will say it again: I love young voters and bringing new people into politics. But political neophytes like Bernie's supporters need to grow the fuck up and, yanno, not fall suspect to narratives, like they're prone to currently.

[Elegiac]

I see the Sanders camp has started up with the “we’re getting too much scrutiny, deflect to Hillary” shtick again.

It’s funny how all of the criticisms against her tend to be about her personality but the same metric is never applied to Sanders because his leftism gives him an out.

And y’all wonder why people draw comparisons between Trump and Bernie in terms of their respective cults of personality.

[Omega10]

This is getting to be like the Real Housewives of the Democratic Party in terms of pointless, petty, stupid fucking drama. Social media is dumb.

Meanwhile, Bloomberg continues on doing things right.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elect...ons/ar-BBZyi4Q

Basically, he is calling for a repeal of the Trump tax cut, along with additional tax increases on the rich.

He is already in third place. I would not be surprised to see him closing in on Sanders and Biden over the next few weeks. The longer he can stay out of the drama Real Housewives of the Democratic Party, the better for him!

[cubby]

Other than "GyyyaaahhhSOCALIZM" idiots out there, there isn't actually any "historic" reasons for not wanting Sanders as the Nominee as his universal healthcare option is VERY popular, even in rural states. Heck, you want historic reasons to NOT vote for Biden? Look how people reacted when the DNC emails came out against Sanders, and the superdelegates went against their constituents! Yes, Bernie still would've lost mathematically - that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the image it sent the rest of the country have for the DNC after pulling that stunt! That just fueled hatred for the DNC from everybody, not just "Bernie or Busters".

My thing isn't his socialism nature - I actually side in favor of a modern socialism/istic state, to a certain degree. But we're light years away from that - might be a full generation until we can bury the Boomers and start getting some real progress in our voting trend.

Until then, Bernie isn't necessary. He doesn't add anything to the party - hell, he isn't even IN the party. Warren covers all the progressive issues he does, and she does it in a more realistic way. And with the rise of the Bernie Bros hate machine, he is now detracting from the DNC election process.

[Elegiac]

Meanwhile, Bloomberg continues on doing things right.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elect...ons/ar-BBZyi4Q

Basically, he is calling for a repeal of the Trump tax cut, along with additional tax increases on the rich.

He is already in third place. I would not be surprised to see him closing in on Sanders and Biden over the next few weeks. The longer he can stay out of the drama Real Housewives of the Democratic Party, the better for him!

How’s that boot taste, out of curiosity? Ya do realise that stanning rich people doesn’t remotely increase your chances of joining them, yes?

Bloomberg’s presence in this race is an insult to democratic values and he would be one of the few Democrats I would abstain from voting for in the general.

[JohnBrown1917]

Meanwhile, Bloomberg continues on doing things right.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elect...ons/ar-BBZyi4Q

Basically, he is calling for a repeal of the Trump tax cut, along with additional tax increases on the rich.

He is already in third place. I would not be surprised to see him closing in on Sanders and Biden over the next few weeks. The longer he can stay out of the drama Real Housewives of the Democratic Party, the better for him!

Always great to see you can just buy your way into becoming president in the US.

[cubby]

Meanwhile, Bloomberg continues on doing things right.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elect...ons/ar-BBZyi4Q

Basically, he is calling for a repeal of the Trump tax cut, along with additional tax increases on the rich.

He is already in third place. I would not be surprised to see him closing in on Sanders and Biden over the next few weeks. The longer he can stay out of the drama Real Housewives of the Democratic Party, the better for him!

He's polling ahead of Warren? Interesting. Bloomberg might be an interesting version of Biden, without the baggage. Bloomberg/Warren? Too much NE liberal?

[Elegiac]

He's polling ahead of Warren? Interesting. Bloomberg might be an interesting version of Biden, without the baggage. Bloomberg/Warren? Too much NE liberal?

Because a small donor candidate whose principle focus on getting money out of politics is a natural pairing with some dipshit who thinks it's entirely acceptable to buy your way into political office. /s

Sounds like a great way to depress Democrat turnout. At least Biden isn't being shameless about being corrupt.

[cubby]

Because a small donor candidate whose principle focus on getting money out of politics is a natural pairing with some dipshit who thinks it's entirely acceptable to buy your way into political office. /s

Well, yeah. I know you played the /s card, but don't you see how they represent opposing views of the Democratic party?

[Elegiac]

Well, yeah. I know you played the /s card, but don't you see how they represent opposing views of the Democratic party?

No, because the view Bloomberg represents is astroturfed. Ask John Boehner how legitimizing that sort of thing worked out for him.

Bloomberg can fuck right off. I'll tolerate moderate policies but I will never tolerate blatant corruption as I've no interest in replacing Trump with Diet Trump.

[Omega10]

How’s that boot taste, out of curiosity? Ya do realise that stanning rich people doesn’t remotely increase your chances of joining them, yes?

Bloomberg’s presence in this race is an insult to democratic values and he would be one of the few Democrats I would abstain from voting for in the general.

I never said I liked him. However, he is doing a great job of campaigning. Compare him to the other billionaire that is in single digits. And his tax the rich plan - not just rolling back the Trump tax cut but also imposing extra taxes on the rich - and you have someone that is likely to move up even more over the next few weeks.

Before this, I could see him taking Biden votes. Now I can see him taking Biden votes AND Sanders votes. And he has electibility - the cash to counter the Trump cash machine combined with the strength to fight against the Trump insult machine if he becomes the nominee.

He is saying all the right things, at least so far. And the Real Housewives of the Democratic Party show that the other democrats are engaged in is only likely to make him look even better.

[Orbitus]

The same ones who think the abusive and dishonest partisan hit job House Democrats did was in fact a legitimate impeachment over impeachable offenses.

Yeah, can tell you watch Fox News. Trump fucking admitted to doing what he did. His lawyers never denied what he did, the ignorant Republican senators even said he did what he did.

[JohnBrown1917]

I never said I liked him. However, he is doing a great job of campaigning. Compare him to the other billionaire that is in single digits. And his tax the rich plan - not just rolling back the Trump tax cut but also imposing extra taxes on the rich - and you have someone that is likely to move up even more over the next few weeks.

Yeah, we call that 'having tens of billions of dollars'.

Before this, I could see him taking Biden votes. Now I can see him taking Biden votes AND Sanders votes. And he has electibility - the cash to counter the Trump cash machine combined with the strength to fight against the Trump insult machine if he becomes the nominee.

Rich fucks like him are like polar opposite to the sort of people that Sanders appeals too, Taking away votes from Warren would make more sense.

[cubby]

I never said I liked him. However, he is doing a great job of campaigning. Compare him to the other billionaire that is in single digits. And his tax the rich plan - not just rolling back the Trump tax cut but also imposing extra taxes on the rich - and you have someone that is likely to move up even more over the next few weeks.

Before this, I could see him taking Biden votes. Now I can see him taking Biden votes AND Sanders votes. And he has electibility - the cash to counter the Trump cash machine combined with the strength to fight against the Trump insult machine if he becomes the nominee.

He is saying all the right things, at least so far. And the Real Housewives of the Democratic Party show that the other democrats are engaged in is only likely to make him look even better.

And his money is attractive to the high roller donors that keep the super PACs alive. Like it or not, we need money to defeat Trump, and he's rolling in cash right now without opposition. A billionaire coming along that can attract other billionaires isn't the worst idea....

[Telogrus]

Anyone who doesn’t support the Dem establishment is a secret Trump supporter and/or Russian asset, but somehow it’s Bernie supporters that are part of a cult...

[cubby]

No, because the view Bloomberg represents is astroturfed. Ask John Boehner how legitimizing that sort of thing worked out for him.

Bloomberg can fuck right off. I'll tolerate moderate policies but I will never tolerate blatant corruption as I've no interest in replacing Trump with Diet Trump.

What are the negative aspects of his policies/history/whatever? Why don't you like him specifically?

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Anyone who doesn’t support the establishment is a secret Trump supporter and/or Russian asset, but somehow it’s Bernie supporters that are part of a cult...

Said no one ever. Your little ignorant quips are adorable but unfounded in reality. Bernie's people have already demonstrated cult-like behavior and they are only getting worse. Warren isn't the establishment at all.

You're just pouting because the Bernie criticisms are becoming more and more valid and Bernie is becoming less and less of a viable candidate.

[Omega10]

What are the negative aspects of his policies/history/whatever? Why don't you like him specifically?

A good question. And one for you, Cubby. Pick one:

What is the last time that Biden said something or proposed something that makes you really like him? Provide links please!

OR

What is the last time that Warren said something or proposed something that makes you really like her? Provide links please!

If you want, you can do a separate post for each candidate!!!

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What are the negative aspects of his policies/history/whatever? Why don't you like him specifically?

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Said no one ever. Your little ignorant quips are adorable but unfounded in reality. Bernie's people have already demonstrated cult-like behavior and they are only getting worse. Warren isn't the establishment at all.

You're just pouting because the Bernie criticisms are becoming more and more valid and Bernie is becoming less and less of a viable candidate.

This bolded part is false. Since the Warren / CNN attack on him at the last debate, two things have happened: Warren has lost quite a bit of support, and Sanders has gained quite a bit. The other big mover, as I pointed out above, is that Bloomberg has risen by quite a bit, and is in third now in multiple polls.