How come guilds now progressing in mythic is failing? They have the strategies, it's out there for all to see and copy, why do they fail but in classic they are not?
And don't answer "they dont fail in classic because they have been doing BWL for 15 years now", they haven't. Everyone playing classic or entering BWL has not played it for 15 years. Some top guilds clearing it in 30 mins have been practicing on private servers, a few guilds comes from Nostalrius or Elysium, Nostalrius was released in 2015. Those guys clears it in 30 min. Normal people clears it in under ~24 hours.
We aren't allowed to ignore a possibility but you can ignore a fact. Apes were third. After years of planning and training and exploiting and cheating, apes came third. That makes them only the third best guild. They didn't win, they didn't even come second. Apes came third. This might be hard for you to understand, and it probably is for apes right now as they blatently lied to people and released a YouTube video claiming they won the world first race but no amount of goalpost shifting or self delusion will change this.
I'm curious. Why do you make excuses for a guild that is known for exploiting and cheating? Is that who you want your heroes to be? People who do whatever they can to win and then when they don't just fucking lie about it anyway? Is it more pathetic to lie and cheat or is it more pathetic to make excuses for the lies and cheating?
??? Ny'alotha is dropping like flys since the top guilds have cleared it. Heroic is on farm for everyone who even tries raiding. And mythic will soon follow when enough people get there.
World First Kill of Nefarian took 77 days after release.
Kel'thuzad stayed alive for 90 days
Ragnaros 154 days
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N'Zoth Mythic 16 days
And don't answer "back in the days we just didn't know what we were doing". Everything is just so insanely "professionalized" nowadays and classic speedrun tactics are available for everyone as well.
Retail isn't easy. Vanilla wasn't easy either when it first hit. So again, stop comparing it.
Plus, I bet you most of the people who downed it on first day had a core of gamers from either back in the day, or from private servers.
Last edited by StayTuned; 2020-02-14 at 11:50 PM.
Read the history between us before you spout nonsense. I was showing that you can spin it in any direction you want, you can find always either arguments for retail or for classic.
Therefore it's pointless to try at all. Just take both games as individual experiences and stop comparing them.
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Yes Ny'alotha is dropping like flies....
1% have cleared it, no, less then 1%. 4 guilds out of thousands who have entered and atleast cleared 1 boss.
Last patch raid, Eternal Palace, still only 15% of guilds have cleared it. It was released 7 months ago. If guilds could they would, just for achivements.
I do think that "back in the day" people were just that bad. I was like 17 back then, not even key binding, still was able to clear both MC and BWL with my casual guild.
When you count Ragnaros 154 days you count from release. As people started off at level 1. People had no clue at all.
In classic it took 6 days after release of the game.
So with all the knowledge it took 6 days.
You saying that if BFA resetted it would take a total of 6 days for guilds to clear mythic ny'alotha?
Get real dude.
I cleared naxx 40 back in classic (was in a top 10 US guild). The amount of prep and raid time we put in isn't even 1/10 of what Limit did to clear Ny'Alotha. So yeah its pretty easy to say Mythic is a LOT harder these days because it needs to be to challenge a top guild in the current year. Apes is just showing what any top guild would do if current raids were as easy as they were in classic.
I consider my guild fairly casual, but we cleared it last night. Our scheduled raid time ended a few minutes after we wiped on nef and everybody agreed as a group to give it one more shot and we killed it. It was nice having difficulties in the raid, it showed us where we can improve as a raid and as individuals. We didnt try wednesday, because that's not a raid day for us.
Last edited by spdr; 2020-02-15 at 12:16 AM.
I'm not going to get into percentages, because I can't be bothered to look up how many guilds are actually raiding mythic on retail compared to how many guilds raided and completed vanilla content. So I'll pass on that, maybe you're right, maybe you are not.
But you're saying that building a house 300 years ago was fucking easy, because now we have fine tuned how to build sky-high towers? Come on.
I am again telling you that you're comparing apples with oranges. You're literally looking at the improved technology that is available today, and say "see, it's harder because it's more complex" while not even thinking about the circumstances that made vanilla so challenging in the beginning. You're just cherry picking factors that constitute for progress being hard.
As if anyone sane ever said that vanilla bosses were designed more elaborate. Like, omg Ony breathes fire on you. Big wow. On some of the retail raids I felt like I have to literally dance my name during the boss fight, while spinning counter clockwise and evading tentacles that try to #metoo me.
And yet I had curve with pugs on ID 2 of BoD. Sure, not Mythic, but Heroic was easy enough to be cleared in a single ID with total strangers.
But look, now you've actually drawn me into the bullshit of comparing apples to oranges. Congratz I guess.
Its easy. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...ogress&boss=-1.
There you go.
Here is classic: https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zon...ogress&boss=-1
I'm comparing the hardest available content to the hardest available content.
I'm sorry that your reading comprehension lacks in quality.
Classic =/= Vanilla.
Classic IS easy, because nothing is new. Vanilla wasn't easy, because everything was indeed new back then, much like in retail today.
Maybe this misunderstanding is causing your confusion about the things I say?
So I ask again. If BFA resetted today, would it take 6 days to clear mythic Ny'Alotha?
Vanilla was not more difficult because it was new. The mechanics were just the same then as today. Nothing is changed in that area.
People were worse at the game. Nothing was optimized. Still the same easy game.
Last edited by d00mh4cker; 2020-02-15 at 12:36 AM.
If it resetted to the point back where NyAlotha was released, I bet Limit would clear it on day 1.
If you want to stay fair to your own argument, you should have asked whether it would take 6 days to clear Uldir. Where if you actually released Uldir Mythic from the start, I'd say "maybe".
Ghuun is indeed a bitch
BWL world first progression thread for Classic? lololol….rofl......mwhaahaa...wait, wait, excuse me.....lolololol...lmao
"My guild beat your guild by 1 minute and 6 seconds mister! we cleared it in 45 minutes!" ...lol really? you must be so proud.
This has gotten so stupid.