Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Noxx79]

As if the attack ads against Bernie weren't already easy enough...now this Castro thing. Whatever slim chance he may have had in the general election (were he even to be the nominee) is now gone. These guys still don't have a clue about optics, do they?

Have you posted anything related to reality in the last five years? Get help.

I mean, it’s no worse that trump slobbering over Kim jong il and Putin.

You’re deranged or trolling. Seriously, seek help.

[Endus]

As if the attack ads against Bernie weren't already easy enough...now this Castro thing. Whatever slim chance he may have had in the general election (were he even to be the nominee) is now gone. These guys still don't have a clue about optics, do they?

"Now"? It got brought up because of things Sanders talked about in the 1980s. This has always been known, and isn't news to anyone who have a shit about anything.

It isn't even the first time this got dredged back up; it was brought up in the 2016 primaries, too; https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-...inistas-220550

You have to be a special kind of willfully ignorant to be surprised by any of this. "Sanders remains ideologically consistent with his decades-long career positions" is not the gotcha you seem to think it is.

[Bodakane]

Perhaps, but step 1 is to simply take away Republican power. EVERYTHING is going to keep going further to the right at a rapid pace if progressive just refuse to get out and vote because they don't like a center-right candidate. I'll vote for Bernie or Biden or anyone else. I'm not going to be an ideological purist who will only vote for one candidate and stay home for the rest just because of an irrational annoyance with the system.

Some people of course, would rather burn down their own house than live in it while making compromises.

Yeah, no, sadly.

You act like people haven't been voting for centrist candidates on the left. They have. I got us to Trump.

B. Clinton was centrist.
Al Gore was centrist.
Kerry was centrist.
Obama was centrist.
Hillary was centrist.

The Democrats have to be forced to change. Capitulating to every centrist candidate hey trot out has lead to the right going further and further and right to differentiate themselves from Dems. There is no way to force them to come back closer to center then to pull them that way.

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As if the attack ads against Bernie weren't already easy enough...now this Castro thing. Whatever slim chance he may have had in the general election (were he even to be the nominee) is now gone. These guys still don't have a clue about optics, do they?

That's just stupid.

That is way more tame then the things Trump has said about Putin and Kim Jong.

[Theodarzna]

As if the attack ads against Bernie weren't already easy enough...now this Castro thing. Whatever slim chance he may have had in the general election (were he even to be the nominee) is now gone. These guys still don't have a clue about optics, do they?

I doubt anyone whose vote is up for grabs is going to care. The Cuban Missile Crisis was well before I was even born and I'm not about to say "Gee, I guess i don't want a decent Health Service because Bernie wasn't down to incinerate the Island of Cuba for not being a good US Vassal state."

[I Push Buttons]

That's just stupid.

That is way more tame then the things Trump has said about Putin and Kim Jong.

Except most of the people who would vote for Trump don't give a shit about what he says.

While most of the people Sanders needs to vote for him do give a shit about what he says.

[TexasRules]

Again doesn't mater. This is about Sanders and not about Trump.
Whatabout Trump and who he had defended is really not an argument you want to start making to defend Sanders. Since that by-itself kind of means that you agree with the negative narrative.
If you want to point out the hypocrisy there are better ways.

This is the way of the mmo champion politics forum, Trump must be in every thread because Trumpsters can't post without bringing him up.

On the topic of Sanders being the nomination, how about what he told Cooper about his plans and avoiding saying how much he is going to have to tax EVERYONE to pay for it.

https://twitter.com/NathanBrandWA/st...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

“How much will that cost?” Cooper asked.

“Obviously, those are expensive propositions, but we have done our best on issue after issue – in paying for them,”

“Do you know how all – how much though?” Cooper asked. “I mean, do you have a price tag for all of this?”

“We do. I mean, you know, and, and, the price tag is – it will be substantially less than letting the current system go,” Sanders responded. “I think it’s about $30 trillion.”

“That’s just for Medicare for All, you’re talking about?” “Do you have a price tag for all of these things?”

“No, I don’t,” Sanders responded. “We try to – no, you mentioned making public colleges and universities tuition free and cancelling all student debt, that’s correct. That’s what I want to do. We pay for that through a modest tax on Wall Street speculation.”

“But you say you don’t know what the total price is, but you know how it’s gonna be paid for. How do you know it’s gonna be paid for if you don’t know how much the price is?”

“Well, I can’t, you know, I can’t rattle off to you every nickel and every dime, But we have accounted for, you – you talked about Medicare for All. We have options out there that will pay for it.”

This is absurd.

[Bodakane]

Except most of the people who would vote for Trump don't give a shit about what he says.

While most of the people Sanders needs to vote for him do give a shit about what he says.

If they give a shit, then they should hear it in full context.

[draynay]

This is absurd.

He should have said Mexico will pay for it.

[JohnBrown1917]

Except most of the people who would vote for Trump don't give a shit about what he says.

While most of the people Sanders needs to vote for him do give a shit about what he says.

Good thing he praised Castro instead of Kim Jong then.

[Orange Joe]

https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/stat...33462157099013

Praising dictators is not a good look

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/polit...tin/index.html

[Blade Wolf]

This is the way of the mmo champion politics forum, Trump must be in every thread because Trumpsters can't post without bringing him up.

On the topic of Sanders being the nomination, how about what he told Cooper about his plans and avoiding saying how much he is going to have to tax EVERYONE to pay for it.

https://twitter.com/NathanBrandWA/st...rc=twsrc%5Etfw


This is absurd.

https://truthout.org/articles/new-st...ver-ten-years/

But who cares about facts

[JohnBrown1917]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/polit...tin/index.html

Trump praises dictators of countries with a lower average healthy lifespan than the US
Sanders praises ones that have a higher healthy average lifespan.


Makes you wonder,

[Milchshake]

2016 Bernie: Obama and Hillary are horrible neo-liberal monsters that compromised on the ACA. It's black and white.

2020 Bernie: Stalin, Castro, Ortega ... are very complicated and nuanced leaders. Oh and mixed praise for George Wallace, great populist messaging!

[JohnBrown1917]

2016 Bernie: Obama and Hillary are horrible neo-liberal monsters that compromised on the ACA. It's black and white.

2020 Bernie: Stalin, Castro, Ortega ... are very complicated and nuanced leaders. Oh and mixed praise for George Wallace too.

Yeah, Cuba would clearly have been better of by an US-backed dictator that had no problems with slavery. Obama and Clinton have caused far, far, more mayhem than Castro, its not even close. Even Bapista was far more extreme.

Man, its going to be great when you're forced to support Sanders in the general election.

[Orange Joe]

2016 Bernie: Obama and Hillary are horrible neo-liberal monsters that compromised on the ACA. It's black and white.

2020 Bernie: Stalin, Castro, Ortega ... are very complicated and nuanced leaders. Oh and mixed praise for George Wallace, great populist messaging!

Don't you mean 1980

[draynay]

Man, its going to be great when you're forced to support Sanders in the general election.

It will be interesting to see.

[Milchshake]

Don't you mean 1980

Has 2020 Bernie disavowed his earlier remarks? 40 years of consistency doesn't really allow for self-critique.

Also, his praise for George Wallace was like 2019?


Bernie, an example of heightening the contradiction to own the libs... postures himseelf on a cliff's edge.

[downnola]

Except most of the people who would vote for Trump don't give a shit about what he says.

While most of the people Sanders needs to vote for him do give a shit about what he says.

Who are the people who need to vote for Sanders? Independents? Non-voters? He has pretty decent support among both crowds. In fact, I'm convinced he'll get a lot of non-voters to actually go vote in 2020 if he gets the nomination.

[Orange Joe]

Has 2020 Bernie disavowed his earlier remarks? 40 years of consistency doesn't really allow for self-critique.

Also, his praise for George Wallace was like 2019?


Bernie, an example of heightening the contradiction to own the libs... postures himseelf on a cliff's edge.

Doesn't matter if he disavowed them. They aren't statements from 2020 like you are trying to make it out to be.

[JohnBrown1917]

Has 2020 Bernie disavowed his earlier remarks? 40 years of consistency doesn't really allow for self-critique.

Also, his praise for George Wallace was like 2019?


Bernie, an example of heightening the contradiction to own the libs... postures himseelf on a cliff's edge.

I wish he was more direct in his praise of Castro, tbh.