Turns out N'zoth...

[Thage]

... was a bit lame. How on earth did the mighty Firelord ever lose to this joke of an old "god?"

Apparently Executus has a bit of a habit of disturbing his rest cycle. Without long rests he can't recover his spell slots.

[Feanoro]

Why do people keep saying this SHIT.. every. single. time.

Yogg was still shackled and so was C'thun, but unlike N'Zoth they were NOT completely free. N'Zoth was nothing compared to what they advertised a free Old God to be like. His influence should've been all over the map, not just two zones. His plan should've been flawless, not this horseshit of invading two zones and doing fuck all. WTF did he even do for the last ten thousand years if this was the best he could come up with.

The fucking Sha, remnants of an Old God had more influence than a freed Old God himself.

Blizzard dropped the ball.

Blizz in recent times has completely wasted/ruined:

- Argus, an entire planet, which should have been an entire expansion ("But players might get bored of demons, even though that reasoning didn't stop us on three Orc expansions"). Turned into a shitty daily zone, Legion looks even more incompetent ("We hid in caves for 25k years under their noses!")

- Naz'jatar, former heart of the ancient Night Elven empire, site of the unholy birth of the Naga and their stronghold. Turned into a shitty daily zone

- Azshara, a villain teased since WC3, responsible for the Great Sundering and a huge influence on Azeroth's history. Constantly touted as the greatest mage alive, on par with Kil'jaeden. Reduced to another idiot who made it easy on us, and was a melee mob that summoned tons of adds

- The Legion, made to look like complete bumbling fools throughout their entire expansion

- Sargeras, whose first and only appearance is to be yanked away from Azeroth by the power of Titan asses in chairs. Fails to kill the planet, fails to even take a swipe at the Vindicaar

- Honorable mention goes to Azerite and Sargy's knife. Azerite is built up as an incredible source of power, magic, inspiration, and so on. Is only used to make things go boom, then ignored. Knife killing the planet doesn't matter, only Danuser's waifu does.

Really, why should the waste of the only free Old God, who had been built up since Wrath as a mastermind, surprise anyone?

[Mirishka]

Pointless post for a pointless topic.

Makes that a pretty pointless reply then, eh?

[Femininity]

Makes that a pretty pointless reply then, eh?

It's one big circle-jerk of pointlessness. Thanks for participating.

[Trassk]

Does anyone else feel, the reason why the devs decided to label N'zoth as 'the weakest of the old gods' was for the very reason why he was defeated the way he was?

The old gods have been a part of the warcraft lore for a long time, maybe not at the beginning but they became as integral to the story as the legion did, and over time we've been given details on how powerful they are. The fact it took the titans themselves in order to kill one of them, the most powerful of them all, Y'Shaarj, have the scope of how strong they could be. How we've only been able to defeat the other two yog and c'thun in a weakened state.

Blizzard at once point wanted to make it we would face an old god in their full power, but they other three were all so powerful it wouldn't have been possible to defeat them. So they decided to label n'zoth as the weakest of the 4, as a way of somehow making us killing him justifiable, while apparently keeping the grandeur of the other old gods intact.

"Oh, Oh, you like totally killed an old god, but he was like the weakest one, so like you'd totally die if you faced Y'Shaarj in his full form, yeah, totally!"

N'zoth was never going to be given any dignity by the writers once they decided to make him the one we face in his full form.

[taishar68]

What if 8.3 is just a vision that N'zoth wants us to belive is true. The patch name is visions of N'zoth. What if we did not defeat him at all it was all fake? We come back to Azeroth after Shadowlands and its corrupted by N'zoth and the zones are revamped.

I believe you’ve stumbled upon why Sylvanas calls Azeroth a prison. If indeed the events post Ny’alotha turn out to be some sort of dream/death/quasi death, you should take a bow, but also look forward to the glorious stream of hate spilling out of these forums when it is revealed. At Blizzard, not you. I think...you never know these days

[Varodoc]

I believe you’ve stumbled upon why Sylvanas calls Azeroth a prison. If indeed the events post Ny’alotha turn out to be some sort of dream/death/quasi death, you should take a bow, but also look forward to the glorious stream of hate spilling out of these forums when it is revealed. At Blizzard, not you. I think...you never know these days

But that won't happen anyway, since we already know why Sylvanas considers the world a prison, and it's because she's a genocidal psycopath who wants to kill everyone.

[taishar68]

But that won't happen anyway, since we already know why Sylvanas considers the world a prison, and it's because she's a genocidal psycopath who wants to kill everyone.

Perhaps, but I can see it being an awkward "gotcha" kind of thing. Also, if you recall during the lead up to the expansion reveal one of the more popular leaks was about an Azeroth that was completely changed and corrupted...maybe there was something there. Maybe nothing, who knows?

PS: A concept like this also answers that nagging problem of Aszhara & N’Zoth having such minor roles after such a huge buildup. I’m not saying it’s good writing, but it’s a possibility.

[Soon-TM]

The fucking Sha, remnants of an Old God had more influence than a freed Old God himself.

Blizzard dropped the ball.

This is basically the issue. All that buildup since Cata, those cool Xal'atath lines in Legion, even that "unseen presence" in Nazjatar... Only to get two old zones covered in tentacles, and then Dragon Soul 2.0, Tentacle Edition.

[Varodoc]

Perhaps, but I can see it being an awkward "gotcha" kind of thing. Also, if you recall during the lead up to the expansion reveal one of the more popular leaks was about an Azeroth that was completely changed and corrupted...maybe there was something there. Maybe nothing, who knows?

PS: A concept like this also answers that nagging problem of Aszhara & N’Zoth having such minor roles after such a huge buildup. I’m not saying it’s good writing, but it’s a possibility.

Hopefully not. Azshara is fine, I like how she has her own agenda and had sort of good intentions in BfA. N'Zoth? No. Generic evil plot device is not an interesting villain.

[Soon-TM]

What if 8.3 is just a vision that N'zoth wants us to belive is true. The patch name is visions of N'zoth. What if we did not defeat him at all it was all fake? We come back to Azeroth after Shadowlands and its corrupted by N'zoth and the zones are revamped.

This could be the only way that Blizzard might fix the incredibly lame end they gave to Tentacle Boi's arc. Still, I'm not too sure about seeing tentacles and obelisks everywhere in an Old God-flavoured revamp of the old world. The lava-filled chasms and whirlwinds seemingly everywhere after the Cata revamp were (and still are) annoying enough.

[Eapoe]

I love all these people talking about N’zoth being some built up super being. Personally, I’ve played since Wrath, and other than Chogal and his cult o don’t really remember N’zoth being hyped up too much.
Sure, lore mentions old gods corrupting the planet, but we are technically part of the defense against that created by the planet, we were just cursed to flesh because it was supposed to make us weaker.
Also, N’zoth is the weakest old god, and people are acting like the final boss is him, but has anyone actually looked up at the background during the Carapace fight? N’zoth is literally the background, a massive mound of eyes and teeth with his tentacles coming out trying to swat us away after being stabbed by an Old God sealing dagger. Technically, we’re a bunch of parasites that found an opening and killed him from the inside.
I also enjoy Nya’lotha. The twisted passageways and backgrounds of filled with teeth and tentacles with the purple-pink sky is pretty nicely designed.
No problems with how they handled Azshara. She purposely held herself back during our encounter to manipulate us into freeing N’zoth. It just proved too much of a strain on her while doing so.
Technically, N’zoth and Azshara manipulated us perfectly into doing exactly what they wanted.
Also, N’zoth focused most of his forces on Uldum and Vale because that’s where the Titan Constructs are at. He kept some of his others behind as protection in Nya’lotha. Had we not held him back in those 2 zones his corruption would have spread.
That said, I would have much rather had a zone for Nya’lotha than just a raid, and I felt the N’zoth fight could have been better.

[KaPe]

I take it that the OP also missed that N'zoth is the only boss where we have to specifically prepare in order to even stand a chance against him *and* it affects the actual gameplay? Without the legendary cloak, you instantly lose your sanity and become his minion. No struggle, no resistance, game over. There's entire quest line which has to be done in order to stand a chance against him, which also includes preparing titan superweapon to take him down. Lorewise, you also spend a lot of time inside Visions, preparing your mind against horrors of Ny'alotha. Wrathion had to use Xal'atath to make the way to the N'zoth core. And even then, you barely survive long enough for Magni and Mother to channel the reorigination beam through your Heart of Azeroth.

Which end boss required anywhere near as much effort? C'thun had the Might of Kalimdor, but it was focused on fighting his armies - the boss itself was killed without any special gimmicks once you broke through his minions. No other fight had "you MUST do this beforehand or there's no chance at winning and even then you'll just barely make it".

If anything, the fault lies with the playerbase, hyping up the Old Gods to incredible levels, while simultaneously ignoring everything we do to oppose them, conveniently mixing up lore and gameplay where it suits them. Old God instantly breaks your mind if you oppose him without cloak? Somehow doesn't matter. You need to do multiple visions to fully empower your cloak and have the biggest chance of withstanding Ny'alotha? Doesn't matter. He dies in the same patch - "what a joke of a boss!"

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

no nzoth is in the shadowlands. his death fueled sylvanas and the jailor giving her the power to kick bolvar's ass

[Varodoc]

To be honest the Twilight's Hammer was a better villain than N'Zoth. Cho'gall and Benedictus were far better characters than N'Zoth. Or rather, at least they were characters in the first place. I'd love to see Xal'atath reform the Twilight's Hammer.

[Berri]

Between whispers in Ny'alotha and the Wriggling Mass item from Island Expeditions it's entirely possible that N'zoth and/or the Old Gods' story isn't over yet.

The tendril writhes and pulsates in your hand as your mind is assailed by all manner of vicious thoughts. One vision in particular surfaces in your mind again and again. In your mind's eye, you picture a many-eyed goat laying in a pool of black water. As you approach, its eyes burst open, and in an instant you find yourself looking upward at the goat from deep within the puddle. As you sink into the icy darkness, everything goes black. You pocket the mass and shake the thoughts from your head.


Especially the Wriggling Mass is interesting - the black puddle in which we (the players) "see" the black goat is clearly death. The black goat is clearly Y'Shaarj. In the vision, we "switch positions" with the goat. To me, this strongly implies that - while we are in the Shadowlands (our "death" realm) - the Old Gods will pull something on Azeroth.

But yeah: if this was all N'zoth was (this patch), he was a boring villain. He was cool during Stormsong, Crucible, and Eternal Palace though. Shame they didn't stick the landing.

[Reyuna]

Ragnaros and his armies actually fought the Titans, that alone makes him a better villian than N'Zoth.

[Varodoc]

Ragnaros and his armies actually fought the Titans, that alone makes him a better villian than N'Zoth.

Lol. Strength does not equal good villain. Ragnaros is as shallow as N'Zoth. Just another chaotic force of evil with no personality whatsoever.

[Deadite]

rag didn't have azerite.

Dude should not have skipped his Islands and WQ's.

[Azerox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PISHmaH-rIc

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