Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[alexw]

It depends entirely on how severe the outbreak is, and which major cities it happens in.

How about 40 to 70% of the world's population?

[cubby]

New Texas polls out. One has Bernie up 6%, the other 9%. New Massachusetts (Warren's home state) polls show Bernie beating Warren by 2% and 8%. A CNN poll shows Bernie as the only candidate who would get any delegates in California (21% lead over Warren). Utah poll shows him up 9%.

If these polls are anywhere near correct, super Tuesday is going to be an absolute landslide.

If Bernie can take TX, that's pretty much the ballgame. Enough other southern states are similar enough that he'll carry those as well. Unless the DNC fucks up the Super Delegates, he should be the nominee.

Very interesting.

He needs, absolutely, a young(ish) minority woman as his running mate. Abrams from Georgia or that House Rep from FL 10th.

[GreenJesus]

The good thing with this trade war with China and the coronavirus is that maybe now companies will finally learn to diversify their supply chain and not depend on a hostile foreign government. I can't believe that our pharmaceutical industry produces 97% of our drugs in China.... like how fucking retarded can they be? If the american economy gets some short term pain from these tarrifs and supply disruption from the virus, but forces companies to move out of china it may be worth it. If we went to war with China tomorrow, China could just hold us hostage by stopping all shipments of drugs and we would be fucked. Profits over our country's security and wellbeing needs to stop.

[cubby]

How about 40 to 70% of the world's population?

It might go that high, but then again it might not. The real issue is the fatality rate, which seems to be exceedingly low - somewhere between 1-2% of those infected. That's not great, but it's not a pandemic, in the sense of results.

[shimerra]

I was going to say perhaps a US Veteran Minority Woman that can get him so more cross over appeal. One that stuck with him and proven to be a fighter despite what establishment and main stream news has pushed out.

I certainly wouldn't want to pick someone that lost their own general election.

Why not? You do know Abraham's got completely screwed by the GOP as her literal opponent purged voter rolls and oversaw the shenanigans. Thanks to that she's got name recognition and even now is on the front lines to boost registration and turn out.

For how often you play the never ending deck of Bernie victim cards regarding the DNC seems incongruous.

[cubby]

I was going to say perhaps a US Veteran Minority Woman that can get him so more cross over appeal. One that stuck with him and proven to be a fighter despite what establishment and main stream news has pushed out.

I certainly wouldn't want to pick someone that lost their own general election.

The House Rep from FL's 10th is perfect. I wouldn't discount Abrams just because she "lost" the GA election - she still mobilized tons of people, and there is good evidence out there that the GOP stole it from her. Still a "loss" of course, but with an *.

[draynay]

I was going to say perhaps a US Veteran Minority Woman that can get him so more cross over appeal. One that stuck with him and proven to be a fighter despite what establishment and main stream news has pushed out.

I certainly wouldn't want to pick someone that lost their own general election.

Boooooooooo

What appeal? Nobody likes her, nobody votes for her, she's worthless.

[cubby]

Boooooooooo

What appeal? Nobody likes her, nobody votes for her, she's worthless.

Abrams? /10c

[Nurasu]

Abrams? /10c

Jettisawn is talking about Tulsi.

[Sunseeker]

How about 40 to 70% of the world's population?

By "serverity" I meant deaths. And by "outbreak" I meant America. The world population is somewhere around 7.7 billion, the US population is only around 325 million or about 4% of the world population. Mathematically speaking the entire USA could go completely unharmed. In fact the reason those estimates are what they are is that they're accounting for the superior medical safety practices of developed nations (even China), they may have minor outbreaks (which, at a billion people even this "outbreak" in China is statistically minor).

[Theodarzna]

Honestly, it's because I think she's a terrible candidate. Namely wither she got screwed or not, even if she won, she'd be a first term governor and you'd think she'd make a good VP? I was being dishonest with my initial critic, to offset all the awful critics I read on here about Bernie, AOC, Nina, Omar, Tulsi, Tlaib, and others.

People talk all the time about being vetted on here and it's clear Stacy hasn't been vetted. It's the same kind of thinking of people who think Micheal Obama should be the nominee. I can't give the notion any serious consideration.

Bernie is running an Anti-Establishment campaign, and you don't enforce that by getting someone who the establishment would hand pick if they had the option.

Tulsi is a good choice on loyalty alone. Tulsi suffered for her loyalty to Bernie, she has staid true to his ideas and him personally and even stood up for him when Warren tried to kamikaze him with a half-baked #MeToo'ing. But Tulsi might be too antagonizing for the DNC apparatchiks to handle. Nina Turner, Tlaib or AOC are also good choices, though Tulsi's absolute loyalty to Sanders is nothing to bulk at.

Really only Nina Turner has been as consistent in loyalty to the cause. I'd basically say Gabbard and Turner are the best bets if you want someone who will for sure continue the Sanders revolution if fortune doesn't favor him.

[Theodarzna]

Yeah, I agree she has become too polarizing. I hope she might get a Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense if Bernie gets the nomination and wings the General Election of course.

She is only polarizing because in 2016 she resigned her DNC post to back Bernie and spilled the beans on how shady things were inside the party and what it really thought about a Sanders candidacy. That and Hillary and her hangers on absolutely have never forgiven her for it.

Out of hate for those people I'd say pick Tulsi and embrace the crossover appeal since she gets a lot of voters that aren't normally at play.

Plus it rubs the establishments nose in it which may alone get Sanders a nice boost. But Nina Turner is a safer pick that is unlikely to cause further problems. But I do think Tulsi should get something given she has been unyielding loyal to him. Unlike that snake Liz Warren, Tulsi has been an unshakable friend to Sanders.

[cubby]

Honestly, it's because I think she's a terrible candidate. Namely wither she got screwed or not, even if she won, she'd be a first term governor and you'd think she'd make a good VP? I was being dishonest with my initial critic, to offset all the awful critics I read on here about Bernie, AOC, Nina, Omar, Tulsi, Tlaib, and others.

People talk all the time about being vetted on here and it's clear Stacy hasn't been vetted. It's the same kind of thinking of people who think Micheal Obama should be the nominee. I can't give the notion any serious consideration.

Bernie is running an Anti-Establishment campaign, and you don't enforce that by getting someone who the establishment would hand pick if they had the option.

How has she not been vetted? She's a terrible candidate because she almost won the GA Governorship as a black female? And being a first term governor is relevant how?

You have yet to list anything that is a valid critique of her as a VP candidate.

[Theodarzna]

She hasn't been vetted because the most she has ran for is a governor's race, and on a national election there is a ton more scrutiny. I've also see shows with her and them flirting with the idea of being Bloomberg's VP pick. That along disqualifies her for being Bernie's VP. IMO

Facts, Bernie needs a VP pick loyal to his goals, not opposed to them and Stacy Abrams is an establishment goon in the end. She would gladly be Bloombergs VP; can't have that on the Sanders ticket.

Not to be too conspiratorial, but I think Sanders would have some sort of "Accident" if he picked an establishment darling for VP.

[Nurasu]

Facts, Bernie needs a VP pick loyal to his goals, not opposed to them and Stacy Abrams is an establishment goon in the end. She would gladly be Bloombergs VP; can't have that on the Sanders ticket.

Not to be too conspiratorial, but I think Sanders would have some sort of "Accident" if he picked an establishment darling for VP.

I mean yeah, Sanders will already have no support from Congress so what's one more torpedo to his relationship with the establishment with a Tulsi pick? The actual fact is that Bernie needs someone relatively moderate.

[cubby]

She hasn't been vetted because the most she has ran for is a governor's race, and on a national election there is a lot more scrutiny. I've also see shows with her and them flirting with the idea of being Bloomberg's VP pick. That along disqualifies her for being Bernie's VP. IMO

But you don't know that she hasn't been vetted. You're assuming it, but I would bet the DNC already ran their Red Team against her background awhile back - probably when she passed on running for the Senate seat.

I would disagree about your conclusion regarding Bloomberg and her auto-dequal for Bernie because of it. Both are older white guys. Obviously different political backgrounds, lol.

[Theodarzna]

I mean yeah, Sanders will already have no support from Congress so what's one more torpedo to his relationship with the establishment with a Tulsi pick? The actual fact is that Bernie needs someone relatively moderate.

Tulsi would be a moderate given you know crossover appeal. As for congress? Well if they aren't going to pass Universal Health Care either way I'd like to see the Democrats go on record as opposing it and see how their electoral chances survive.

[Mekkle]

just found out i cant vote for the democratic nominee because i registered as a republican when i was 18, because i'm fucking stupid. And so is this law.

[DarkTZeratul]

just found out i cant vote for the democratic nominee because i registered as a republican when i was 18, because i'm fucking stupid. And so is this law.

It's not a law, it's just how some states run their primary. Typically you have to either be a member of the party, or a member of no party, to participate. The real issue is that you never changed your party registration in the intervening years, and so you're STILL registered as a Republican.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

I believe this is a rather appropriate time and thread for this. I find this analysis and breakdown to be in alignment with my perception of the issue. From 1:00 to 14:30 is all about the issue of the 2020 election, and the majority of it is specific to the Democratic primary (the first minute is an overview of what the video covers).


I'm posting this rather than writing my own post since my policy preferences are fairly well-reflected by Robert Reich, and because I've not been actively participating in this thread so I'm out of the loop on some of the long-running arguments that may be present in this thread.