Light is not God.

[darkoms]

I noticed that every time it comes to the battle with Arthas, people start using this stupid argument about ''divine intervention'', ''deus ex machina'', ''divine miracle'' and so on.
Enough. This is another dumb myth as avatars of the Old Gods or something like that.
Light is not a god, Light is just a power. In most cases, it is necessary to use the Light correctly, but Benedict could use the Light only with the help of willpower, without faith (Chronicles). Also, if the Light is god, then why does it allow guys like the Scarlet Crusade use his power (I know that Elune also once allowed the Horde to use her power, but this is a completely different case)? If he is a god, why didn't he just destroy Arthas himself? Why did you have to wait and let so many innocents die?

[kansor]

The Light is a type of magic but it's also conceived of as a force with its own intents. If you're going to analogize it to religion, it wouldn't be God so much as the disembodied concept of Grace (though with darker undertones of controllingness and rigidity).

[omeomorfismo]

the light destroyed arthas itself. you didnt watched tirion going supersayan completely randomly (or turalyon in w2)?

[Powerogue]

It's really more like Light/Dark side of the Force, really. It's all about conviction in it. Been that way since Classic.

[darkoms]

the light destroyed arthas itself. you didnt watched tirion going supersayan completely randomly (or turalyon in w2)?

Tirion used the Light, broke the shackles and then destroyed Frostmourne with the Ashbringer. It is not the same hat the Light kills Arthas personally.

[Raetary]

No one thinks of the light as "god".
We call it "divine" and what not because that's the language used to describe it.

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''deus ex machina''

????

It quite literally is a deus ex machina.

In literature the term deus ex machina describes a plot device where in a situation with an unsolvable outcome/problem that problem gets suddenly and unexpectedly solved by an unexpected force/source/occurrence.

Jaina suddenly porting with her magical flying ship in the middle of siege of Lordaeron and freezing the blight to save the alliance is a deus ex machina for example.

[Varodoc]

"Divine intervention" doesn't have to involve actual deities. A hero coming out of nowhere to rescue a kid from a band of monsters with no build-up whatsoever would still be a deus ex machina even if that hero were just a mere human.

The defeat of the Lich King is the textbook example of a deus ex machina, and it's even presented as one. Tirion literally asks the Light to grant him one final blessing. It's meant to show how the Light never abandons its children, not even when they're at the very heart of death.

[Icoblablubb]

I noticed that every time it comes to the battle with Arthas, people start using this stupid argument about ''divine intervention'', ''deus ex machina'', ''divine miracle'' and so on.
Enough. This is another dumb myth as avatars of the Old Gods or something like that.
Light is not a god, Light is just a power. In most cases, it is necessary to use the Light correctly, but Benedict could use the Light only with the help of willpower, without faith (Chronicles). Also, if the Light is god, then why does it allow guys like the Scarlet Crusade use his power (I know that Elune also once allowed the Horde to use her power, but this is a completely different case)? If he is a god, why didn't he just destroy Arthas himself? Why did you have to wait and let so many innocents die?

who says Light is God? neither do i see player refer to it as that nor ingame? ingame the light is just described as a Power just like the Void is this just a thread for the sake of a thread?

[Donald Hellscream]

Light and darkness are just primordial forces.

The light isn't a single a entity, its just a cosmic force, furthermore it is neither inherently good or bad evident by the fact that evil people can use it just by believing what they do is right.

[Nerovar]

I noticed that every time it comes to the battle with Arthas, people start using this stupid argument about ''divine intervention'', ''deus ex machina'', ''divine miracle'' and so on.
Enough. This is another dumb myth as avatars of the Old Gods or something like that.
Light is not a god, Light is just a power. In most cases, it is necessary to use the Light correctly, but Benedict could use the Light only with the help of willpower, without faith (Chronicles). Also, if the Light is god, then why does it allow guys like the Scarlet Crusade use his power (I know that Elune also once allowed the Horde to use her power, but this is a completely different case)? If he is a god, why didn't he just destroy Arthas himself? Why did you have to wait and let so many innocents die?

There was a literal Deus Ex Machina in the DK order hall campaign in which the Light intervenes to save Tirion's body from resurrection into Undeath. Even if the Light might not be an actual "being" per se, it still has a will of its own and acts on that will from time to time. It might not be a personal God but the Light is definitely a deity.

[omeomorfismo]

Tirion used the Light, broke the shackles and then destroyed Frostmourne with the Ashbringer. It is not the same hat the Light kills Arthas personally.

he asked to the light. paladins (or priest) arent like mages or warlocks that take raw arcane/fel to conjure their magic. a priest manifests the light/shadow, a paladin basically are living conduit for the light itself. thats even more true for human/dwarf paladins that havent any clear naruu/loa that intercede for them

[Wewlad]

I noticed that every time it comes to the battle with Arthas, people start using this stupid argument about ''divine intervention'', ''deus ex machina'', ''divine miracle'' and so on.
Enough. This is another dumb myth as avatars of the Old Gods or something like that.
Light is not a god, Light is just a power. In most cases, it is necessary to use the Light correctly, but Benedict could use the Light only with the help of willpower, without faith (Chronicles). Also, if the Light is god, then why does it allow guys like the Scarlet Crusade use his power (I know that Elune also once allowed the Horde to use her power, but this is a completely different case)? If he is a god, why didn't he just destroy Arthas himself? Why did you have to wait and let so many innocents die?

Divine Intervention was the name of a spell in WoW. You really are grasping at straws.

[Schattenlied]

I noticed that every time it comes to the battle with Arthas, people start using this stupid argument about ''divine intervention'', ''deus ex machina'', ''divine miracle'' and so on.

di·vine1
/dəˈvīn/

1.
of, from, or like God or a god.

Divine power doesn't only mean from god, it also means anything godlike.

So, yeah, all the "divine" stuff, perfectly fine as it's being used, your rant was pointless. It's been known for a long ass time, years now, that the Light is not a god... You're late as hell to this party.

Also what the hell does deus ex machina have to do with this? That's not a thing that has anything to do with god

[Kokolums]

If he is a god, why didn't he just destroy Arthas himself? Why did you have to wait and let so many innocents die?

Well the religious explanation is that people receive eternal salvation in Heaven. Even if you suffer on Earth for 80 years, 80 years is technically not even an instant in time compared to eternity. Where it gets sketchy is when you have a god that does NOT offer eternal salvation. In the Tolkien mythology, Iluvatar is evil. He is evil because he allows people to suffer in life but does NOT offer eternal salvation. So all they will ever know is suffering. That is an evil god. Mor'goth is therefore a good person because he opposes Iluvatar. Unfortunately, Iluvatar wins. Its a dark tale.

[deenman]

I noticed that every time it comes to the battle with Arthas, people start using this stupid argument about ''divine intervention'', ''deus ex machina'', ''divine miracle'' and so on.
Enough. This is another dumb myth as avatars of the Old Gods or something like that.
Light is not a god, Light is just a power. In most cases, it is necessary to use the Light correctly, but Benedict could use the Light only with the help of willpower, without faith (Chronicles). Also, if the Light is god, then why does it allow guys like the Scarlet Crusade use his power (I know that Elune also once allowed the Horde to use her power, but this is a completely different case)? If he is a god, why didn't he just destroy Arthas himself? Why did you have to wait and let so many innocents die?

the light isnt god,its a primordial force like arcane and nature(but older),naaru are beings of light,but they arent deities,they are lifeforms(ofc if we think about it what we would call a god could very simply be a more advanced alien lifeform,what does it even mean to be a god?)

[darkoms]

di·vine1
/dəˈvīn/

1.
of, from, or like God or a god.

Divine power doesn't only mean from god, it also means anything godlike.

So, yeah, all the "divine" stuff, perfectly fine as it's being used, your rant was pointless. It's been known for a long ass time, years now, that the Light is not a god... You're late as hell to this party.

Also what the hell does deus ex machina have to do with this? That's not a thing that has anything to do with god

What nonsense have I just read? I mean, Arthas fans are constantly trying to justify Arthas's defeat by the fact that the Light personally intervened and saved Tyrion, although this is complete nonsense. Tirion, PALADIN, used his strength and broke his fetters, even if he himself believed that the Light had done it. There is no divine intervention, there is no deity, only the paladin and his power. Otherwise, the actions of Malfurion are the divine intervention of Life, and the actions of Khadgar are the divine intervention of Arcane.

[Lyssander]

No one thinks of the light as "god".
We call it "divine" and what not because that's the language used to describe it.

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????

It quite literally is a deus ex machina.

In literature the term deus ex machina describes a plot device where in a situation with an unsolvable outcome/problem that problem gets suddenly and unexpectedly solved by an unexpected force/source/occurrence.

So a paladin using the light is now unexpected?

[darkoms]

So a paladin using the light is now unexpected?

Thats exactly what I mean! How nice to see that at least someone understands the absurdity of criticism of this event.

[matrix123mko]

So a paladin using the light is now unexpected?

Yes, if he uses it while being frozen.

[Raetary]

So a paladin using the light is now unexpected?

He literally spent the entire fucking fight being frozen in place not being able to do shit.