WWE (fake)(wrestling) is the lone sport trying to defy the logic of social distancing

[Tech614]

If it isn't a debate...

You mistake debating for proving people wrong.

As for why WWE is considered an "essential service" in Florida it's not just WWE. Both boxing and UFC are gonna be allowed to host events in florida through the same logic. AEW who is the biggest direct competitor WWE has had since WCW was bought out was literally allowed to film in Florida as well.

It's fair to talk about if it's essential or not, but don't come with the false narrative that WWE is getting special treatment that other companies can't/won't get in Florida.

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Most of them just take steroids and lift weights to build mass. I a real fight those clowns would go the pulp beat out if then in 30 seconds flat.

Most of them don't take steroids, this isn't 20 years ago. This man main evented wrestlemania. Wrestling fans don't care about muscle mass anymore and it's on a select few old guard that put that much work into their appearance.

Also a good portion of pro wrestlers also have actual combat sport training so color me skeptical you would do anything in a "real fight" against them. Look at Matt Riddle who has a winning record in UFC and became a pro wrestler, Baron Corbin who was a golden gloves champion or ofc the oodles of other people like Jack Hager or Bobby Lashley who have competed in real sanctioned MMA. Get's even more ridiculous if we start counting Japan since actual shoot fights under the guise of pro wrestling are a thing in the more seedy promotions there.

[Neenaw]

You mistake debating for proving people wrong.

As for why WWE is considered an "essential service" in Florida it's not just WWE. Both boxing and UFC are gonna be allowed to host events in florida through the same logic. AEW who is the biggest direct competitor WWE has had since WCW was bought out was literally allowed to film in Florida as well.

It's fair to talk about if it's essential or not, but don't come with the false narrative that WWE is getting special treatment that other companies can't/won't get in Florida.

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Most of them don't take steroids, this isn't 20 years ago. This man main evented wrestlemania. Wrestling fans don't care about muscle mass anymore and it's on a select few old guard that put that much work into their appearance.

Also a good portion of pro wrestlers also have actual combat sport training so color me skeptical you would do anything in a "real fight" against them. Look at Matt Riddle who has a winning record in UFC and became a pro wrestler, Baron Corbin who was a golden gloves champion or ofc the oodles of other people like Jack Hager or Bobby Lashley who have competed in real sanctioned MMA. Get's even more ridiculous if we start counting Japan since actual shoot fights under the guise of pro wrestling are a thing in the more seedy promotions there.

Lmao.

You wouldn't happen to a fan would you?

[Tech614]

Lmao.

You wouldn't happen to a fan would you?

Nice try with the ad hominem reply but unless you want to attempt to prove anything said there wrong, don't bother.

[Egomaniac]

You mistake debating for proving people wrong.

You didn't prove anything. You made this point in an earlier post:

If we're talking wrestling in the US, Mexico, UK or Japan it is literally classified as a sport and governed by athletic commissions in individual states/countries.

However, this is from the wikipedia article that you linked

The first two sentences:

Professional wrestling, often shortened to pro wrestling or simply wrestling, is a form of performance art[1][2][3][4][5] and entertainment[6][7] that combines athletics with theatrical performance.[8] It takes the form of events, held by touring companies, that mimic a title-match combat sport.

But this is the part that really interested me:

Despite the public admission of the theatrical nature of professional wrestling, many U.S. states still regulate professional wrestling as they do other professional competitive sports.[19] For example, New York State still regulates "professional wrestling" through the New York State Athletic Commission (SAC).[20] However, some states are considering removing, or have removed, professional wrestling from the purview of the state's athletic commissioners.[19]

I quoted the whole paragraph so you can't claim I'm trying to take anything out of context. So, on the basis that it is a sport because it is regulated by state athletic commissions...well, that would just depend on exactly what state.

But this is still all outside the scope of the thread. Also, I really don't care. I do think it's funny how worked up you are getting over the issue though. So some people don't consider WWE to be a real sport...who cares? How does that affect you in any way?

As for why WWE is considered an "essential service" in Florida it's not just WWE. Both boxing and UFC are gonna be allowed to host events in florida through the same logic. AEW who is the biggest direct competitor WWE has had since WCW was bought out was literally allowed to film in Florida as well.

It's fair to talk about if it's essential or not, but don't come with the false narrative that WWE is getting special treatment that other companies can't/won't get in Florida.

At what point did i ever present any narrative, false or otherwise, that they were getting special treatment? In fact it looks like the UFC is looking to jump aboard on that essential service train as well.

[Tech614]

You didn't prove anything.

Is or isn't pro wrestling governed by the athletic commissions in most states?

Oh yea, it is. Point proven. You made it clear you don't want it to be considered a sport(which is why you interjected in the convo when facts where being presented with nuh uh don't say this!) but sucks to have that take I guess because it has no factual basis. It's covered on ESPN, there is a weekly show on FS1 dedicated to it, and most state athletic commissions still govern it(and they won't stop because of seedy indy promotions doing dangerous shit if they didn't). It is considered a sport by the governments where it is popular, and covered in sports media that is all that matters. Not jimbos mmo-champ opinion that it isn't a sport due to having scripted out comes.

Oh and Money in the Bank is being recorded in Connecticut FWIW to the narrative that only Florida was on board with this.

[Egomaniac]

Is or isn't pro wrestling governed by the athletic commissions in most states?

Oh yea, it is. Point proven.

Point not proven. "Most states" is not "All States". One more time:

However, some states are considering removing, or have removed, professional wrestling from the purview of the state's athletic commissioners

So again, whether or not it is considered to be a sport varies depending on what state you are in.

[Neenaw]

Nice try with the ad hominem reply but unless you want to attempt to prove anything said there wrong, don't bother.

It was a serious question. I had hoped to gain a better understanding of where your willful ignorance (I hope for your sake) was coming from.

I don't debate people like you. It's a waste of my time and I'm content with my position.

[Trassk]

Wwe wrestling is and always has been a spectacle. It's a performance with big muscled oiled up men getting each other in body holds so as to satisfy all the closeted rednecks out there in dealing with their 'not gay' problems, also hence why they throw in female figures now and again so Ernie can pretend to look at her instead of the tight shorts on the guy in the ring

[Tech614]

It was a serious question. I had hoped to gain a better understanding of where your willful ignorance (I hope for your sake) was coming from.

I don't debate people like you. It's a waste of my time and I'm content with my position.

You replied with more ad hominem instead of trying counter any points. For someone that doesn't want to debate you sure seem to want to attack the person because you lack openings to attack the points eh?

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So again, whether or not it is considered to be a sport varies depending on what state you are in.

Arizona, Colorado, Tennessee, Alaska, South Dakota, Minnesota and West Virginia are the only states without athletic regulations on pro wrestling in some form or another. You're right it depends on state you're in, cause you know 43/50 is such a varying sample size to retort with lol.

[Egomaniac]

Arizona, Colorado, Tennessee, Alaska, South Dakota, Minnesota and West Virginia are the only states without athletic regulations on pro wrestling in some form or another. You're right it depends on state you're in, cause you know 43/50 is such a varying sample size to retort with lol.

You said it wasn't up for debate...well, apparently it is...since there are those places that don't consider it a sport...they debated it...and they decided it wasn't a sport. You're going about this all wrong. I'm not proving that it isn't a sport...just that there is a debate whether or not it is. And you just argued my point for me.

And again, we're not here to discuss whether or not it is a sport.

[Traveler Voltin]

the term is called scripted not fake. fool

[ohtlmtlm]

Arizona, Colorado, Tennessee, Alaska, South Dakota, Minnesota and West Virginia are the only states without athletic regulations on pro wrestling in some form or another. You're right it depends on state you're in, cause you know 43/50 is such a varying sample size to retort with lol.

Interesting assortment of states. politically diverse. Have you ever considered that the 43/50 states are looking out for the entertainer's best interest and are classifying "pro wrestling" as a "sport" to do so? I honestly do not know if there is overlap with OSHA regulations when it comes to sports/entertainment?

[Fencers]

There are other pro wrestling promotions other than WWE that are still up and running. Their major competitor, AEW, performed in Florida and Georgia during this pandemic too. Other promotions in the UK, Mexico, and Japan as well.

WWE's Mcmahon family are longtime Republican and Trump supporters.

Money is not the most important thing in the world, but it is for the time being the only thing.

[kail]

So long as they keep it closed from the public, I don't see too much of an issue. For the safety of the combatants/actors there, they should be tested before fights but knowing how WWE treats their employees I doubt it will happen.

[smityx]

I was trying to be impartial! 1 post in and you ruined it!

it was his wife, i think but ya it only took about 5 seconds of google or just being a reader of the news...

but really, what in the actual fuck is this shit about priming conservatives into not believing about covid-19.
Republicans don't all do something without a goal in mind.
Their mass stupidity is actually mass intelligence when you need to spread messaging

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It's been absolutely tragic watching news continually say the next thing will be what ends his presidency. It's completely unhelpful rhetoric.

Americans are literally living in two different realities now.

One is where corona virus is a thing to fear, and another where you get together with your republican friends and protest stay in place notices.

It's probably because any one of the things trump does almost daily would have sunk any other president.

[Puupi]

Hey guys, the thread isn't about whether or not Wrestling should classify as a sport.

It sort of is considering the title of the very thread.

It isn't about WWE defying social distancing, it's about WWE being the lone sport defying social distancing.

[Egomaniac]

It sort of is considering the title of the very thread.

It isn't about WWE defying social distancing, it's about WWE being the lone sport defying social distancing.

Also has (fake) on the title as well though...

[Puupi]

Also has (fake) on the title as well though...

Well it is fake wrestling, not real wrestling...?

[Egomaniac]

Well it is fake wrestling, not real wrestling...?

Real wrestling is a real sport...but is fake wrestling a fake sport? Can it be considered a sport when the results of the "competition" are determined before the match even begins? Those are real questions...but not ones that need to be answered in this thread.

This thread is about it's defiance of the logic of social distancing and the state of Florida defining the WWE as an essential service. And, to be fair, they aren't completely ignoring the logic. The events are closed to the public, they are running with a minimum amount of crew members, they apparently have some sort of "medical screening" in place, and they are sanitizing their work areas after every event. I am curious about how effective the medical screening process can be when there are asymptomatic carriers though. Seems to me that the people most at risk at these events would be the performers themselves. It's hard to maintain a 6 foot distance even in a staged wrestling match.

Also, they aren't the lone "sport" that wants to keep operations going during this crisis. UFC is attempting to get running using the same strategy.

[Cosmic Janitor]

I mean obviously they try that, it's run by one of the biggest scumbags alive that never cared about the people he employs or the people that he entertains.

As for being important entertainment, I'd probably rank them considerably lower than porn actors. It has as a way lower reach and social function in society compared to porn . As far as sports go, pretending it was one for a moment like the olympic version it parodies, it is the type of contact sport that ranks very low on the "we should be doing that anytime soon again"-scale. Pretty much diametrically opposed to golf.