Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Levelfive]

Four cops have been fired: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/us/mi...rnd/index.html

[Daedius]

Four cops have been fired: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/us/mi...rnd/index.html

Fired instead of being apprehended for manslaughter... typical outcome.

[Egomaniac]

Fired instead of being apprehended for manslaughter... typical outcome.

Well, the typical outcome is they are out on desk duty while they rush through an investigation that clears them of all wrong-doing.

[Endus]

Fired instead of being apprehended for manslaughter... typical outcome.

Actually, it's not. "Fired" means "not put on administrative leave while we pursue an internal investigation". Their careers in law enforcement are done.

Charges may still be filed, and they state in the article that the evidence is being reviewed. That's not unusual. They want to be sure they have every officer's testimony so they can get the appropriate charges for each of them filed, and the prosecutors ready to go. That's pretty standard practice.

But filing charges and administrative decisions are two entirely separate processes.

[enigma77]

In any other country than the US this would be murder.

[josykay]

Well, they are fired... which appears to be an indicator of wrongdoings, regardless of criminal liability, which is already fairly rare sin cases like this. Looks like they will be hold accountable.

[Levelfive]

Well, the typical outcome is they are out on desk duty while they rush through an investigation that clears them of all wrong-doing.

Agreed. I was actually pretty stunned.

[Elegiac]

American "police" doing what they do best, I see.

To dovetail onto this story, did y'all hear about the white woman who tried to kill someone via cop?

Amy Cooper was walking her dog Monday morning while Christian Cooper (no relation) was bird-watching at a wooded area of Central Park called the Ramble. They both told CNN their dispute began because her dog was not on a leash, contrary to the Ramble's rules, according to the park's website.

Christian Cooper recorded video of part of their encounter and posted it on Facebook, where it has since been shared thousands of times and became a trending topic on Twitter. In the video, he is largely silent while she frantically tells police he is threatening her and her dog.

"I'm taking a picture and calling the cops," Amy Cooper is heard saying in the video. "I'm going to tell them there's an African American man threatening my life."

But sure. This country doesn't have a problem with systemic racism in law enforcement to the point people actively weaponise it. /s

[Kraenen]

But sure. This country doesn't have a problem with systemic racism in law enforcement to the point people actively weaponise it. /s

Depends what "problems" and "systemic" mean to you. This and other stories don't inherently prove either, unless you take a puritanical approach to the topic.

[PC2]

American "police" doing what they do best, I see.

To dovetail onto this story, did y'all hear about the white woman who tried to kill someone via cop?

But sure. This country doesn't have a problem with systemic racism in law enforcement to the point people actively weaponise it. /s

If there is 'systemic racism' then tell us which system policy is racist. Pointing to racist individuals can't solve a systemic issue.

[Elegiac]

Depends what "problems" and "systemic" mean to you. This and other stories don't inherently prove either, unless you take a puritanical approach to the topic.

That's nice dear, I'm not interested in semantic arguments. We're talking about an actual statistical problem.

Swear to Christ, Europeans need to acknowledge they're only able to view politics through the lens of class and aren't equipped to comment on things like race relations.

[Levelfive]

American "police" doing what they do best, I see.

To dovetail onto this story, did y'all hear about the white woman who tried to kill someone via cop?

But sure. This country doesn't have a problem with systemic racism in law enforcement to the point people actively weaponise it. /s

Yes. It's pretty chilling. She's also been fired. Have you seen this: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/o...gtype=Homepage

[Elegiac]

If there is 'systemic racism' then tell us which system policy is racist. Pointing to racist individuals can't solve a systemic issue.

Why should I bother doing so for someone who clearly doesn't give a shit about the issue?

It's the same reason I don't engage with TERFs in discussions on the nature of gender. Because their actual goal isn't good faith discussion of the issues, it's to make you feel shitty for twenty minutes.

Shoo.

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Yes. It's pretty chilling. She's also been fired. Have you seen this: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/o...gtype=Homepage

1-800-CAUCASITY was the backup option.

[Kraenen]

In any other country than the US this would be murder.

Dunno, in Saudi Arabia they just kill you for being a Journalist apparently. I think there's basically most countries in the world that would not hold the police to murder. This overview should give us some doubt that it's a very common thing.

[PC2]

Why should I bother doing so for someone who clearly doesn't give a shit about the issue?

It's the same reason I don't engage with TERFs in discussions on the nature of gender. Because their actual goal isn't good faith discussion of the issues, it's to make you feel shitty for twenty minutes.

Shoo.

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1-800-CAUCASITY was the backup option.

Okay but how is the system suppose to improve if you don't propose the solution. I don't get it...

[Elegiac]

Dunno, in Saudi Arabia they just kill you for being a Journalist apparently. I think there's basically most countries in the world that would not hold the police to murder. This overview should give us some doubt that it's a very common thing.

"Police brutality in the US isn't actually that much of an issue because it happens in Saudia Arabia, too."

What a limp-dick non argument.

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Okay but how is the system suppose to improve if you don't propose the solution. I don't get it...

By excluding obviously bad faith individuals from the discussion table since they have nothing valuable to contribute. Take the hint.

[Kraenen]

That's nice dear, I'm not interested in semantic arguments. We're talking about an actual statistical problem.

Which one?

[Themius]

Depends what "problems" and "systemic" mean to you. This and other stories don't inherently prove either, unless you take a puritanical approach to the topic.

There are a lot of white people who feel comfortable, calling the police and making up a racist lie incite harm.. there are also cases where people blame black people even if they weren't black, because they feel that will credit them more belief, due to... systemic issues.

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Dunno, in Saudi Arabia they just kill you for being a Journalist apparently. I think there's basically most countries in the world that would not hold the police to murder. This overview should give us some doubt that it's a very common thing.

How about you compare us to the Uk, Germany, Canada,a not a theocratic monarch?

[Kraenen]

"Police brutality in the US isn't actually that much of an issue because it happens in Saudia Arabia, too."

What a limp-dick non argument.

I mean it's a non-argument because I didn't make it, after all. The fact that you have to resort to making up what other people said is telling.

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There are a lot of white people who feel comfortable, calling the police and making up a racist lie incite harm.. there are also cases where people blame black people even if they weren't black, because they feel that will credit them more belief, due to... systemic issues.

This is why I asked someone to define "systemic" but they evaded desperately for some reason. People like to say "a lot of white people" without really being needed to support their claims with evidence.

How about you compare us to the Uk, Germany, Canada,a not a theocratic monarch?

The original proposition was "any other country". Did you read that? Did you even read the overview I linked? Further, do you have any data you have to support your position?

[Elegiac]

The original proposition was "any other country". Did you read that?

Yep. We read you taking the literal meaning of an obviously figurative statement and treating it as if it was some grievous factual error.

It's not clever, sweetie, it's Tumblr level discourse.