Pfffft what are you talking about it's not like the police would ever plant evidence as justification for violence.
A cop appeared to put his own baton in a black man’s hand before kneeling on him and punching him during the George Floyd protests in Philadelphia. The clip begins as the protesters is already being wrestled to the ground by an cop while another man, who appears to be a law enforcement officer, sits down alongside the scuffle. A third officer is then seen running into the frame with what appears to be a baton in his hand. The baton-wielding officer begins to grapple with the protester. Then, at the 13-second mark of the clip, he appears to throw his baton on the ground while his knee is on either the back of the protester’s neck or head. The cop then seems to force the man’s hand on top of the baton before punching him in an apparent attempt to disarm the man who did not appear to have a weapon during the onset of the struggle. More officers arrive to arrest the protester while one cop screams at the woman behind the camera to back up with a taser in his hand.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
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Minnesota raises charge against fired officer in George Floyd case, charges three others
Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison will increase the charge against a fired Minneapolis police officer to second-degree murder in the death of an unarmed black man and level charges against the three other fired officers in a case that has led to more than a week of sometimes violent protests across the United States, the Star Tribune newspaper said on Wednesday.
Chauvin, 44, was fired and charged last week with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter. Second-degree murder - the new charge - can carry a sentence of up to 40 years, 15 years longer than the maximum sentence for third-degree murder.
The three others who were involved in the incident - Thomas Lane, J. Alexander Kueng and Tou Thao - will be charged with aiding and abetting murder, the Minnesota-based newspaper said, citing sources.
They're supposed to;
A> Arrest any colleagues who cross the line
B> Defend the rights of citizens without abusing their authority
C> Use the minimum amount of force necessary to effect a legitimate arrest or to defuse an already-violent situation
And D> Not react when they're called names and insulted and disrespected and demonized. They get to suck it the fuck up and stop being pathetic little fucking cowards who need to lash out and prop up their fragile little egos.
This is not a high fuckin' bar to expect.
Even if they are armed; so fucking what? It's their property. The 2nd Amendment exists. There's shit going on outside and that gives them cause to arm themselves, in case they need to use it. Holding a weapon as a black man cannot be a death sentence, in the USA. That's the entire problem.
I watched the security cam video, I don't see any indication that he fired first. I see a black man (maybe armed, maybe not), who raised his arm (no evidence of any weapon in it), and was shot as a result.
It actually looks like one officer fired a paint round (his gun looks like a paint gun, with the kidney-bean paintball reservoir on top, right?) at the people in the doorway (strike 1, because fuckin' why?), it hit a bottle of something carbonated on the table (cola, probably), which fell off, and then either the bang from hitting the ground or the "pop" of the cola bottle bursting made them think there was a gunshot, so they unloaded on the entryway. And if that's the case, they're incompetent, murderous fuckwads.The "smoke" you see near the doorway in the second half of the video? It didn't come from the door, something near the door was shot, in the direction of the door (not the police) and you see it fall off.
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This is pointless and, in my view, an equal misappropriation as that of the other Riot is the language of the unheard quote.
Correct my assumption if you will, but you seem to insist on not making a distinction between these 3 levels, that is, of Protesting, Rioting and Looting, though i'd wager is the latter could be the final product of the second.
If that is indeed your intention, I can see clearly why you'd want to use that quote in an attempt to justify said position.
It's quite easy to pull out a quote such as Riot is the language of the unheard ignoring the broader context in which it was said.
I've always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I'm still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve. That in a real sense it is impracticable for the Negro to even think of mounting a violent revolution in the United States. So I will continue to condemn riots, and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way. And continue to affirm that there is another way.
Much like it would be dishonest from my part to not refer to his passage a couple of paragraphs below, in which he says he understands why riots happens and appeals to the broader American society to figure out the underlying causes that lead to such responses.
Understanding that, however, is not synonymous with endorsing said actions, as MLK explained. I dunno, I didn't read the full speech other than the necessary paragraphs.
So, I don't know what this is about. It's quite simple, actually, to understand the feelings of revolt and disgust one would feel in this situation and why they'd more than likely feel prone to exact a violent response.
But, even though I agree that there's racists officers over there, I'm not about to undermine an entire police much in the same way I don't commit the dishonesty of saying the protesters are crap because of the actions of looters.
That's a first step. This isn't a victory. This is the absolute bare minimum they could be expected to do. It's like if you found a human finger in your fast-food chili, and the manager offered to refund you the price of the chili. Okay, thanks, but we've got some bigger fuckin' issues to talk about.
Why would it? My default position is to stand agaisnt any form of violence or bigotry.
A police officer stood on top of a man to the point he killed him while others around him watched. Of course I'd condemn that.
Of course I understand the feeling of revolt, and, consequently support protests over it.
But violence is violence, and if its indiscriminate, all the more reason to be agaisnt it. I can't speak for others, but my "hyperfocus" on looters stems from the sad irony that they do more harm to a just cause than anything else. Much like it disgusts me that the authorities employ shady tactics to undermine the credibility of the protests.
i dont know how much LN is changed, surely, they "dropped" the open southern hate (and this is still making trouble between their older voter) but frankly i dont find any difference about immigrants. the bullshit they say now is the same that they said since i have memory (so since middle of the 90s). maybe its because they took the MSI/AN route and officially say bullshit in a enough vague way, but its clear that they still swim in the racist propaganda.
and im not saying that iwobi is a puppet, probably he believe what he says, even my boss that is peruvian as my father is openly fascist and speak about salvini as an amateur. that doesnt change the fact that they have trust in a racist party.
and casapound against the cops? lol? this is the first time i hear this. i have even a friend with his sister in the Trento's casapound and never heard any bad word against cops from her (unlike all the anarchists i know that use acab as commas) or any customer of her bar, a well know fascist den where i live.
then i didnt say that the police (and other forces) are fascist, but that they have a big problem of fascism. im not generalizing, but its a fact that the police in italy attract a lot of sympatizer, there was even a reportage about police's private chat groups full of mussolini citations and whatever some time ago (or policemen managing fascist pages on facebook, i dont rememeber so well).
or even the uneven investigations during the 70s between the red and black terrorisms.
i mean, fascists demonstrator always are so proud about their "politeness" during demonstration (even when they are litterally inciting a lynch against roms entering in public houses)....
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...vote-for-trump
Cops are the problem?
No, it's antifa! Who aren't even active in these protests, confirmed by the FBI.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-...rotests-2020-6
Yes, violence is violence, and one should be against it, but if peaceful protests lead to nothing except being brutalized by the police with them getting a slap on the wrist at worst, then it is obvious that violence is the last viable form of protest.
Peaceful protests happened, for years, and nothing changed.
Which is partially why you do not get the issue. Your seen to have view of a formalised police department as a good thing that should get the benefit of the doubt, which is amusing considering you want to lambast me for ignoring historical context.
"ACAB" and similar sentiments do not exist because people hate police 'for reasons'. Nor is branding the institution of police wicked in any way comparable to generalised statements about people for their race, because one is an elective profession.
Again, you keep underlining your opposition to violence without the understanding that in many cases the enforcement of order, or the system itself, are forms of violence.
But they don't count because they aren't sufficiently spectacular in the exact sense of the term, or are levied against people society deems undesirable and thus deserving of maltreatment.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
I mean a bunch of professional sports players peacefully took a knee during sporting events and the same people pearl clutching and whinging and moaning about the violence now (not necessarily here, but in the public media) were the same people whinging and moaning about that peaceful protest and how inappropriate it was then.
Because to these people, there is no way to properly protest. The only way to properly protest is to shut the fuck up and accept your lot in life, even if that lot in life is living in near constant fear that law enforcement can murder you over a fixit ticket or a bad check/bill.