What Does "Defund the Police" Mean

[Kathandira]

More like disarm the nation.

It's ridiculous that people can just go out and but a gun or even assault rifle just like that. I'm pretty confident this is the root of the whole problem.

I learned recently that Walmart is the largest supplier of ammunition in the world. That was quite shocking to me.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

This is great, I was looking for some reading material and this'll keep me going for a little while. Thanks for sharing.

I think it pretty soundly hits the nail on the head on what should be done and hopefully something like
It will be implemented.

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I say we just remove the police from high crime areas and let nature take it's course. cause we don't need cops right?

So less people get arrested for drug offences which leads to less broken house holds and it being easier to get a job without a record. So pretty much ending the war on drugs which would be a benefit for every one other then the private prisons/cops.

[Teriz]

The defund the police thing is pretty much how democrats kill their chances at attracting new voters and potentially scare off people already in their party. It doesn't help that some want literally to abolish the police, whereas other people want to just take away some of the funds. Part of the problem is just having stupid catch phrases and that are open to much interpretation isn't a real policy.

Yeah, except literally no elected democrat is advocating for defunding the police.

[RickJamesLich]

It isn't even a Democratic Party slogan. It has fuck-all to do with the Democrats.

Let's be real here, it's not Trump voters asking to defund the police here lol.

[BigToast]

Top minds on social media are struggling to define "Defund the Police".
Voices on the Center and Left are unsure. Trump/GOP want more funding.

You lost me at "top minds on social media." Hysterical.

Get out of your bubble and do the very minimal of research and you will understand what it means. This is a troll thread and should be treated as such.

[RickJamesLich]

Yeah, except literally no elected democrat is advocating for defunding the police.

It's not any elected official but that doesn't stop it from being a problem. Much in the same vein that Bernie Bros alienated potential voters, this will likely cause similar issues.

[Endus]

Let's be real here, it's not Trump voters asking to defund the police here lol.

It isn't relevant to political parties at all. Introducing partisan bullshit here is not approaching the discussion in good faith.

[RickJamesLich]

It isn't relevant to political parties at all. Introducing partisan bullshit here is not approaching the discussion in good faith.

It is if democrat politicians lose voters over this. You don't think this will be capitalized on by the right at all? They are already doing it. It's a toxic slogan that isn't helping matters at all.

[Teriz]

It's not any elected official but that doesn't stop it from being a problem. Much in the same vein that Bernie Bros alienated potential voters, this will likely cause similar issues.

Eventually they might do that. Otherwise they risk losing voters. Politicians will do anything to get votes and please their voters, especially before big election.

Yeah, they won't because they're smart enough to know that it's political poison. Even Sanders and Warren oppose the idea.

[Endus]

It is if democrat politicians lose voters over this. You don't think this will be capitalized on by the right at all? They are already doing it. It's a toxic slogan that isn't helping matters at all.

Sure, friend, suggesting we cut funding to police departments to prevent overreach and address abuses, that's "toxic".

Police slaughtering innocent black Americans, though, apparently "not toxic". Definitely worry about cops losing funding, more than innocent black people's lives being snuffed out.

Thanks for exposing your priorities so clearly.

[BigToast]

It is if democrat politicians lose voters over this. You don't think this will be capitalized on by the right at all? They are already doing it. It's a toxic slogan that isn't helping matters at all.

No matter how they frame this it will be attacked by the right as "soft on crime" or some other bullshit. The right is good at playing to their base and advertising/brainwashing to them, not governing.

Biden and all top Democrats have said they are against "defunding the police." They will probably go with something like "Reform The Police." Or maybe they will go with nothing at all because it really is a city level thing. Regardless the right will spin it was they do, lying to their gullible base.

[RickJamesLich]

Sure, friend, suggesting we cut funding to police departments to prevent overreach and address abuses, that's "toxic".

Police slaughtering innocent black Americans, though, apparently "not toxic". Definitely worry about cops losing funding, more than innocent black people's lives being snuffed out.

Thanks for exposing your priorities so clearly.

Nah, most folks are against police brutality, there are weirdo's in the minority on both sides though. On the right there are some that are ok with the cops roughing up people they view as thugs. On the left there are weirdo's that really want the police disbanded lol. Not a good look, the "defund the police thing" is just a dumb, Trump like statement. It confuses people that might actually support something like funds going towards other things. It's the kinda statement that closes off rational debate before it can even begin.

[Endus]

Nah, most folks are against police brutality, there are weirdo's in the minority on both sides though. On the right there are some that are ok with the cops roughing up people they view as thugs. On the left there are weirdo's that really want the police disbanded lol. Not a good look, the "defund the police thing" is just a dumb, Trump like statement. It confuses people that might actually support something like funds going towards other things. It's the kinda statement that closes off rational debate before it can even begin.

That's literally all it says; "maybe we spend less on police and trim down police departments and duties and shift those over to departments more able to responsibly handle them".

If you're seeing anything else, that's a you problem, because you're making shit up that the movement doesn't say.

[The Emperor]

It means whatever the hell any given democrat wants it to be in his rabid wetdream, the doublethink is, after all, their bread and butter.

[wunksta]

Trump/GOP want more funding.

Minneapolis PD funding was 30% of the entire city budget. How much more funding do they need? At what point do you think the policing effort has failed and focus should be on preventative measures and community building to reduce crime?

[RickJamesLich]

That's literally all it says; "maybe we spend less on police and trim down police departments and duties and shift those over to departments more able to responsibly handle them".

If you're seeing anything else, that's a you problem, because you're making shit up that the movement doesn't say.

No need in pretending that everyone is going to take "Defund the police" the same way that you do. At the protest in Minnesota where this idea has become popularized some were in fact holding signs to abolish the police, which is much different from how you take the phrase "defund the police". It's a vague statement that is going to do more harm than good and alienate people that may otherwise support it.

Look at the video for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj3vdaC4F7c

Besides boo'ing the mayor for saying he doesn't want to abolish the police, people are giving him the finger, screaming at him... these types of folks are why there won't be a serious discussion on this topic, or at least no time soon.

[Endus]

No need in pretending that everyone is going to take "Defund the police" the same way that you do.

The difference is that I look at what the words actually say, and react based on that.

I'm not inventing a fantastical delusion and knee-jerking based on that imaginary idea that isn't actually what is being said.

Same reason I support Black Lives Matter, by looking at what the movement actually stands for, rather than siding with racists who kneejerk about it somehow being a black supremacist movement or an attack on white people or some other bigoted horse shit.

[Milchshake]

Just watch John Olivers two videos on the topic.

Ya he does a great job of taking 23 minutes to explain it to his audience.

Now ask a voter who watches only Fox news to watch and respond to those segments.
Now ask a voter who watches only Local news to watch and respond to those segments.

I'm just saying "Defund the Police" was crafted for a specific audience, very online leftists.
Like Defund Planned Parenthood was crafted to appeal to very hardcore anti-abortionists.

The Very Online Left is making two big mistakes with type sloganeering.

1. It's designed and built by a small margin of the electorate. Dont cry when larger percentiles of the electorate "dont get it". That's on you.
2. Dont appropriate slogans used by the Far Right used to energize their base. The Center and Left respond to different type of language.

2020 has been the year that showed Corbyn/Sanders fanboys just dont understand the larger body electorate.

They see the Black Lives Matter slogan polling at all time high positive among voters, and decide it's a good time to switch up slogans.

This is a "New Coke" moment for the Very Online Left.

[Endus]

Ya he does a great job of taking 23 minutes to explain it to his audience.

Now ask a voter who watches only Fox news to watch and respond to those segments.
Now ask a voter who watches only Local news to watch and respond to those segments.

I'm just saying "Defund the Police" was crafted for a specific audience, very online leftists.
Like Defund Planned Parenthood was crafted to appeal to very hardcore anti-abortionists.

The Very Online Left is making two big mistakes with type sloganeering.

1. It's designed and built by a small margin of the electorate. Dont cry when larger percentiles of the electorate "dont get it". That's on you.
2. Dont appropriate slogans used by the Far Right used to energize their base. The Center and Left respond to different type of language.

2020 has been the year that showed Corbyn/Sanders fanboys just dont understand the larger body electorate.

They see the Black Lives Matter slogan polling at all time high positive among voters, and decide it's a good time to switch up slogans.

This is a "New Coke" moment for the Very Online Left.

You're projecting your own empty distaste.

The City Council of Minneapolis is already taking steps to defund their police department, with a veto-proof majority.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/us/ge...day/index.html

Pretending this is just "online extremists" means you're completely out of touch.

[starlord]

You're projecting your own empty distaste.

The City Council of Minneapolis is already taking steps to defund their police department, with a veto-proof majority.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/us/ge...day/index.html

Pretending this is just "online extremists" means you're completely out of touch.

san diego has voted to increase their police funding.

“This is about systemic, generational issues that we must acknowledge and address, and those won’t be solved overnight with a single budget vote," Mayor Kevin Faulconer told USA TODAY in a statement on Tuesday. "We’re going to keep funding our police department but it won’t be business as usual."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/5330547002