If you could go back in time and hit the reset button...

[Theodarzna]

A different problem you have to deal with is you're a woman.

I think people are strange over analytical with mine and not say Gabriels plan to somehow keep the Civil War going longer than it did.

[Boricha]

There's a part of me that would like to have been a teen in the late '90s/early '00s, but I'd rather be born as late as possible so I see more of the future. I wouldn't try to change anything.

[Cosmic Janitor]

I guess 2k sounds quite nice. I'd tell my past self to change a few things, as I don't suffer from megalomania and want to change the course of history (and potentially make it worse).

[Orange Joe]

I think people are strange over analytical with mine and not say Gabriels plan to somehow keep the Civil War going longer than it did.

The plan to execute the officers of the confederate army after the war was over?

[Theodarzna]

The plan to execute the officers of the confederate army after the war was over?

Parsing it out, how does he do it? Some guy coms up to Lincoln and says "Hey, you need to execute those guys now, really whatever you were going to do, forget that!" I mean they would throw him the hell out right then and there.

[downnola]

The US civil war. All the southern officers are executed as traitors after the war ends and their worship is outlawed.

This.

Finish what Sherman started and salt the southern earth.

[Orange Joe]

Parsing it out, how does he do it? Some guy coms up to Lincoln and says "Hey, you need to execute those guys now, really whatever you were going to do, forget that!" I mean they would throw him the hell out right then and there.

How do you convince the people of what you want to do for your plan?

A realistic plan would involve becoming a advisor to Lincoln.


Meanwhile can you explain how an action after a war would extend said war that is over?

[Theodarzna]

How do you convince the people of what you want to do for your plan?

A realistic plan would involve becoming a advisor to Lincoln.


Meanwhile can you explain how an action after a war would extend said war that is over?

A) I'm pointing out that mine got that same look of "But did you think about this?"

B) The war is over, surrenders had been accepted, convincing the United States government to go on a campaign purging the South, or downnola's plan of level the region, salt the land and destroy it would have a 0% chance of being accepted.

[downnola]

A) I'm pointing out that mine got that same look of "But did you think about this?"

B) The war is over, surrenders had been accepted, convincing the United States government to go on a campaign purging the South, or downnola's plan of level the region, salt the land and destroy it would have a 0% chance of being accepted.

It's not about what's realistic, it's about what you'd do if given the chance to go back in history and have it your way.

A more realistic altering of history would be to just go back to the end of the war and put a bullet through the back of John Wilkes Booth's head before he got to Lincoln so reconstruction wouldn't have turned out like it did. It probably wouldn't have turned out that much better but certainly better than it did without Lincoln. There really is no living peacefully with people who believe man has property in man. That's why we should have went for total war and submission.

[Logwyn]

If you could go back in time and hit the reset button what year would you pick?

1987

If you could single handedly change one event what would it have been and what do you predict would have been the result?

I would have prevented Bush Sr from being elected, This Dukakis preventing the first Iraq war and each subsequent action thereafter as a result. Everything else in the Middle East would have gone another way. I don’t think 911 would have happened either. Not that the two things were linked but I think our foreign policy overall would have been much better.

I think the Soviet Union would still have fallen but Putin would never have risen to power.

As a result I think the U.S domestic policy would have improved. The war on drugs would have gotten smarter. Tech companies would have been reigned in terms of personal privacy.

Not sure about Clinton though I think Dukakis might have gotten 2 terms. Meaning we likely would have gotten Bill Clinton in 96 to 2004 or President Al Gore.


Anyways how would you do it.

[i]Keep in mind going back in time hitting the reset sets you back also. You keep the memory of this time line, but everything and everyone else is gone and reset with no memory.

How does having Dukakis prevent Iraq from invading Kuwait and the need for the first Gulf War? Does he somehow pay Iraq's debt owed to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia from the Iraq-Iran war?

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This.

Finish what Sherman started and salt the southern earth.

So basically you want to kill everyone in the Southern United States or cause them all to move from the Southern States North or West?

[Seiklis]

Do a Tera Nova, go back to the age of Dinosaurs and start a civilisation there...

Eh ensuring humans never made it to America until the 1000s would be a fun one

Suddenly mammoths

[downnola]

How does having Dukakis prevent Iraq from invading Kuwait and the need for the first Gulf War? Does he somehow pay Iraq's debt owed to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia from the Iraq-Iran war?

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So basically you want to kill everyone in the Southern United States or cause them all to move from the Southern States North or West?

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a word or phrase used in a non-literal sense for rhetorical or vivid effect.

[Logwyn]

The US civil war. All the southern officers are executed as traitors after the war ends and their worship is outlawed.

Who and how are you going to be to do this?

You have to be Grant to not offer surrender terms to Lee. If Lee is not given the parole option by Grant he is not surrendering and the war continues on and you kill more people. CSA forces not the Army of Northern Virginia are not going to surrender either if Lee does take Grants surrender terms and is then hung for treason.

If you are Lincoln and make Grant not offer the parole as in our timeline as Lincoln you are recognizing the CSA as a nation and whisking away the effect of the Emancipation Proclamation keeping Europe out of the war. So you might get a European nation now decide they entering the war. If Britain or France you are dragging Russia into it as well.

Even if you do manage to kill off all the Officers. I assume you really do mean all You are going to destroy a large part of the upper class of the South. Unfortunately, this will more or less result in chaos in the Southern United States, and trying to rebuild the South will be harder

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Do a Tera Nova, go back to the age of Dinosaurs and start a civilisation there...

How? How many people? Where?

[Saucexorzski]

Well if i had to go back in time and i got to choose where..id try prevent time travel from being invented because fuck the arrogance of humans who think they could do better in the past.

[Logwyn]

It's not about what's realistic, it's about what you'd do if given the chance to go back in history and have it your way.

A more realistic altering of history would be to just go back to the end of the war and put a bullet through the back of John Wilkes Booth's head before he got to Lincoln so reconstruction wouldn't have turned out like it did. It probably wouldn't have turned out that much better but certainly better than it did without Lincoln. There really is no living peacefully with people who believe man has property in man. That's why we should have went for total war and submission.

I get you and from your other post, you just want to punish the South over the war as well as the thinking in regard to African-Americans. You aren't punishing the South if you keep Lincoln around. Lincoln's plan was very very lenient. More so than Johnson's plan. Under Lincoln, only 10% of a state's population needed to swear an oath for the state to be readmitted.

How are you going to get rid of the idea that "people who believe man has property in man" in the states that did not leave the Union and those in the North that believed it? The North was not some bastion of people of color who were equal to whites. Far from it. You could even say that racism was WORSE in the North than the South after the Civil War and into the modern Civil Rights movement.

To get rid of the notion of slavery in the United States you really need to go back to at least the Haitian Revolution if not further. Get rid of those events that make Slaveholders fear that their slaves were nothing but violent savages and they could use to support that myth. You might even need to go back to Nat Turner's rebellion. You are not going to change that perception by punishing the South and raping and pillaging the South. You probably are just going to make things worse for former slaves and make the Southern/Northern feelings worse.

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Eh ensuring humans never made it to America until the 1000s would be a fun one

Suddenly mammoths

How are you going to live thousands of years if not millions?

[downnola]

I get you and from your other post, you just want to punish the South over the war as well as the thinking in regard to African-Americans. You aren't punishing the South if you keep Lincoln around. Lincoln's plan was very very lenient. More so than Johnson's plan. Under Lincoln, only 10% of a state's population needed to swear an oath for the state to be readmitted.

Lincoln never laid out any sort of plan for reconstruction because he was too busy trying to end the war. He didn't have time to work out any details about what might have come after it. I also don't think Lincoln would have "punished" the South, but he certainly wouldn't have made things easy for them either.

How are you going to get rid of the idea that "people who believe man has property in man" in the states that did not leave the Union and those in the North that believed it? The North was not some bastion of people of color who were equal to whites. Far from it. You could even say that racism was WORSE in the North than the South after the Civil War and into the modern Civil Rights movement.

I was referring to chattel slavery not racism.

Yes, the North was ripe with racism and had it's fair share of issues with segregation and discrimination. However, you're not going to get very far trying to argue that racism was WORSE in the North when the South made segregation a matter of public policy across the board during that time period (and also fought a civil war over chattel slavery, lets not forget). I'm surprised anyone can even try to make that argument with a straight face. Fucking wild, lol.

To get rid of the notion of slavery in the United States you really need to go back to at least the Haitian Revolution if not further. Get rid of those events that make Slaveholders fear that their slaves were nothing but violent savages and they could use to support that myth. You might even need to go back to Nat Turner's rebellion. You are not going to change that perception by punishing the South and raping and pillaging the South. You probably are just going to make things worse for former slaves and make the Southern/Northern feelings worse.

The North has been trying to placate, compromise, and concede issues to the South since it's inception. I don't think that's worked out very well for anyone but those that owned all of the capital in the South. Babying them has done nothing to mend any wounds from that war, either. The Lost Cause myth is practically canon in the South and my family in Louisiana still calls me a Yankee to this fucking day. I don't care what their feelings would have been, nor do I care about how hard it would have been to rebuild the South if Confederate Leadership was properly punished or forced to flee the country. That's a price worth paying to flush Confederate ambition down the drain for good.

[PACOX]

Who and how are you going to be to do this?

You have to be Grant to not offer surrender terms to Lee. If Lee is not given the parole option by Grant he is not surrendering and the war continues on and you kill more people. CSA forces not the Army of Northern Virginia are not going to surrender either if Lee does take Grants surrender terms and is then hung for treason.

If you are Lincoln and make Grant not offer the parole as in our timeline as Lincoln you are recognizing the CSA as a nation and whisking away the effect of the Emancipation Proclamation keeping Europe out of the war. So you might get a European nation now decide they entering the war. If Britain or France you are dragging Russia into it as well.

Even if you do manage to kill off all the Officers. I assume you really do mean all You are going to destroy a large part of the upper class of the South. Unfortunately, this will more or less result in chaos in the Southern United States, and trying to rebuild the South will be harder

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How? How many people? Where?

Its a very interesting time to pick. One think can be said that a lot of regression that took place afterwards was due to trading justice for peace. The early post-Civil War South was full of equality and opportunity. That was quickly replaced with the Jim Crow era South. That resulted in lychings, segragtion, systematic oppresstion/racism, the romanticism of the CSA South, the South Strategy. Therwa a very valid discussion about whether or not it was a would have been better to completly stamp out the antebellum South than to than weather through the 150 years that followed. Things we're still dealing with.

Completely definitely the South would have been a little longer and more bloodier but if black Americans are to be valued as Americans can you say it wouldn't have been worth it. Especially with the aid of hindsight seeing what happened when concessions were made.

Anyone who studies history knows about why concessions were made at the time with what they knew. But what about what we know now?

A similar discussion could be had about the handling of Germany post WW2.

[Powerogue]

Go back and deal with the guy who invented time travel. It's clearly a terrible idea.

[LilSaihah]

Gonna go back and kill Hitler with a handshake.

[winter486]

I would go back when I was like 14 years old and just discovering girls. We used to go over her house and play in the backyard. One day she asked me to help her clean up the toys in her backyard. I didnt, and my buddy did. Now their both married.