WoW Classic - Actions to Reduce Disruption During AQ War Effort

[Hellobolis]

This whole discussion is pretty dank. There are great communities on classic and there are great communities on retail and in vanilla aswell.

Just like there are trolls/griefers/nolifers everywhere

within your own community theres usually no problems, it's people outside their your own immediate community that gets treated as shit.

and well, scarab lord is a event that heavily promotes the us vs them mentality.

[Kilik]

Retail level of toxicity is aprox 2% while classic is like 99% thats why retail prevailed.

In retail, you choose people you play with, or you can play solo and there are no system that other people can you fuck over. At maximum, you meet some toxic people in pugs, you ignore them, leave and move on.

In classic, you choose server and you are stuck with those people. They can help you, talk to you but they can also fuck you over, grief you because of the systems and the way content is structured.

Private servers were not that toxic tho, lets not pretend a lot of current classic players were never retail players, they can just use their toxicity to full extend in classic

[Majestic12]

In retail, you choose people you play with, or you can play solo and there are no system that other people can you fuck over. At maximum, you meet some toxic people in pugs, you ignore them, leave and move on.

In classic, you choose server and you are stuck with those people. They can help you, talk to you but they can also fuck you over, grief you because of the systems and the way content is structured.

1. You aren't stuck with people. You can transfer your toon.

2. I love how you didn't mention anything negative at all with the retail system.

[Teroch]

Tbh if everyone around you seems to be an asshole it's possible that you are the problem

Well, that's actually the saying. If you meet one asshole, that's bad luck. If everyone you meet is an asshole, you're the asshole.

Or you're playing classic.

[Kilik]

1. You aren't stuck with people. You can transfer your toon.

2. I love how you didn't mention anything negative at all with the retail system.

1. missed the point
2. missed the point

[Queen of Hamsters]

Sounds like an extremely toxic environment, honestly.

[Very rare pepe]

Retail level of toxicity is aprox 2% while classic is like 99% thats why retail prevailed.

Obviously never done many low mythic+ keys then have you buddy? or been in a pug raid? Tut tut. Don't talk about things of which you know nothing.

[Santti]

Seriously? People actually do something like that, on purpose?

I guess I shouldn't be too surprised, after reading about the world buff dispels. Even using addons to spot people with them, for purpose of dispelling from the random somebody's. I can't imagine anything funnier than levelling a priest in Classic, going to enemy city for the purpose of ressing, dispelling a world buff and dying, over and over again.

[Tydan]

Retail toxicity is low due:
- it is basically single player game with almost no player to player interactions
- you can turn off warmode so nobody will grief you (toxicity in Classic exist almost purely on PvP servers)
- there is no master looter so you will not get ninjaed
- no raid/group/server wide quests and bosses
- you can buy almost everything for gold
- there are no patterns and ingredients that are hard to get
- you can sign up for everything withot leaving main city

I am not saying it is better or worse.
It is just different.

Think in part your comment sums up a lot of reasons why blizzard changed the game so much over the past decade.

[Loveliest]

I am not saying it is better or worse.
It is just different.

Retail is not some game unrelated to vanilla that was just different from its conception. It suffered these changes BECAUSE people were toxic, not for other reasons. Some of the changes (like warmode) are quite recent, too. That is to say - the game has adapted to people being toxic by nature. It changed because of a cause. So yeah, it BECAME different and by becoming different it reduced toxicity. This is how you reduce it, you change things that you can change as a developer. So yeah, from the toxicity pov it IS better, no matter how you look at it.

[dacoolist]

Retail level of toxicity is aprox 2% while classic is like 99% thats why retail prevailed.

Retail prevails because the playerbase wants it to be successful

A lot of us over the last 15.5+ years have had rough times just like this disruption for AQ

The different between retail and classic is the no changes.. in retail they would just hotfix this and move the F on.. in classic - DID YOU SEE what happened when they added that extra bag slot in classic for adding the authenticator.. holy SHHHHHH lol

I get why each playerbase is the way it is, but I'm here to tell people: Classic Vs Retail - they are the same game, its just retail is the progression and classic is the 'original'

[Cavox]

Ok, where is the line between griefing and just being an asshat? Is this a "play nice or ban" policy? I don't think I like intervening in organic server player interactions as long as it's not cheating or botting.

[Daedius]

Ok, where is the line between griefing and just being an asshat? Is this a "play nice or ban" policy? I don't think I like intervening in organic server player interactions as long as it's not cheating or botting.

Ever heard of 'ghosting'? That's cheating, and essentially what they're doing...

[EkyuGames]

If there's one thing the Classic community have proven again and again ever since nostalrius really is that if there's a toxic way to go about things they'll take it

As someone who in the last 6 months ran one of the largest entities in classic (6 raid teams at our peak and multi-platform organization), I can say that I was within days of killing myself multiple times due to the nature of the Classic Community over the past year. Even now, I hardly sleep, and my life has utterly fallen apart due to the severe abuse that was put upon me day in and out.

After 15 years, I'm genuinely too sick to play the game any longer. My hair fell out due to the stress and my age has shown 10 fold. It's worse than people can even imagine. I'm not suicidal now that I've moved on, but honeslty the player base makes me sick to my stomach.

[Hydra]

People are still playing Classic? Omegalulz. I'm not condoning Retail either, that version is even worse. Classic is mad boring and filled with people who do nothing but raid log. Why even play the game anymore at that point? Quit while you're ahead homies.

As someone who in the last 6 months ran one of the largest entities in classic (6 raid teams at our peak and multi-platform organization), I can say that I was within days of killing myself multiple times due to the nature of the Classic Community over the past year. Even now, I hardly sleep, and my life has utterly fallen apart due to the severe abuse that was put upon me day in and out.

After 15 years, I'm genuinely too sick to play the game any longer. My hair fell out due to the stress and my age has shown 10 fold. It's worse than people can even imagine. I'm not suicidal now that I've moved on, but honeslty the player base makes me sick to my stomach.

Lol wtf is this copypasta?

[ArenaDk]

Retail toxicity is low due:
- it is basically single player game with almost no player to player interactions
- you can turn off warmode so nobody will grief you (toxicity in Classic exist almost purely on PvP servers)
- there is no master looter so you will not get ninjaed
- no raid/group/server wide quests and bosses
- you can buy almost everything for gold
- there are no patterns and ingredients that are hard to get
- you can sign up for everything withot leaving main city

I am not saying it is better or worse.
It is just different.

-it is basically single player game with almost no player to player interactions

How is that the case in retail? You can do raids alone? Mythic+ alone?

Now you will say people do normal and low m+ without talking. Yeah? People already do the same with bwl in classic too. So classic is single player too?

you can buy almost everything for gold

same for classic

you can sign up for everything withot leaving main city


same for classic

[ssviolett]

This whole discussion is pretty dank. There are great communities on classic and there are great communities on retail and in vanilla aswell.

Just like there are trolls/griefers/nolifers everywhere

Still in 21 years of quite hardcore online gaming Ive never seen THAT toxic community and THAT insane ppl.

[Echocho]

Still in 21 years of quite hardcore online gaming Ive never seen THAT toxic community and THAT insane ppl.

No in a world of toxic online communities the classic community manages to stand out by a country mile and that's not something to be proud of.

[Mendzia]

Think in part your comment sums up a lot of reasons why blizzard changed the game so much over the past decade.

That is true but many of these changed the game to worse imho.

Retail is not some game unrelated to vanilla that was just different from its conception.

Yes. Thats what i meant.

It suffered these changes BECAUSE people were toxic, not for other reasons.

Some of people were horribly not cool but it is not even remotely close to todays scale of toxicity.
Again - i regret playing on PvP server now.

Some of the changes (like warmode) are quite recent, too. That is to say - the game has adapted to people being toxic by nature. It changed because of a cause. So yeah, it BECAME different and by becoming different it reduced toxicity. This is how you reduce it, you change things that you can change as a developer. So yeah, from the toxicity pov it IS better, no matter how you look at it.

I do not agree that it is always better.

it is basically single player game with almost no player to player interactions

How is that the case in retail? You can do raids alone? Mythic+ alone?

I've never said thaat you can do everything alone but probably 95% of content yes.
It is just hyperbole showing differences between both games.

Now you will say people do normal and low m+ without talking. Yeah?

Yes. You sign for raid/dungeon in Retail and you do not have to say anything.

People already do the same with bwl in classic too. So classic is single player too?

Show me single video from Classic proving this.

you can buy almost everything for gold

same for classic

I've never seen anyone selling any raid loot in trade/world chat so it is not true.

you can sign up for everything withot leaving main city

same for classic

???
How? Show me.

[Logwyn]

If only they could open it up so that it wasn't a one and done thing wouldn't matter really. I think the person or three that got this on my original server do not even play anymore and haven't for a long long time. The same will happen for AQ on classic servers will become irrelevant and the players that do get it will stop playing and the title and mount will be non-existent.

What if you are role-playing a toon that is against opening and hitting this gong?